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08-12-2024, 10:11
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#466
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Florida
Posts: 976
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
OOPS Can't say Bull Droppings
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09-12-2024, 05:39
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#467
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Florida, Off the Caloosahatchee Canal for the Summer
Boat: Beebe Passagemaker 50'
Posts: 905
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
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Originally Posted by Time2Go
I disagree here, a serries of 12 videos, spanning the
"Shakedown and Sea Trials" would make excellent programming.
Certainly for sailors would beat the Bikini Babe ********
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Please provide link to "Bikini Babe"!
Re/ the Wynns, I believe they have been very supportive of HH during the build and initial use of boat, but have become very frustrated and disillusioned with all the issues, and the glacial rate of "fixes" to their new boat.
I stated much earlier in the thread that as far as I was concerned, the only acceptable resolution for me would be for HH to take back the boat, and provide a brand new replacement no "stray current" damage, and with all the "fixes" already applied, and use Curiosity II as a test bed to further validate their design(s).
I would be very disillusioned as well if I had laid out as much money as the Wynns did (regardless of any discounts they may have received) for their boat . . and it was still sitting, depreciating, and unusable to the owners.
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02-01-2025, 10:43
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#468
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Victoria, BC
Boat: Gulfstar 44 CC
Posts: 50
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
Our build of the 44 is still progressing as normal, with delivery likely expected 1-2 months earlier than the time we were given at contract signing. That remains to be seen.
They have found the source of the electrical leak, and its not present on any of the other boats. Unfortunately, it seems the wynns boat was the test subject for this particular issue.
We are upgrading to Beta 38 engines, and have pushed them to offer this to us for months. We think it will make the motoring speed more in line with what is expected. It adds one extra cylinder and therefore a bit of extra weight, but its something i'm willing to compromise on for the extra power.
As for the weight, yes, I think it will be slightly heavier than expected once loaded. Ours will not be a lightship as it will be a comfortable liveaboard cruising boat. I'm expecting about 12T.
If we can get 10-12 knots out of that, I will be happy, especially coming from a 20T 44ft monohull.
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02-01-2025, 11:58
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#469
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Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Lifeaboard
Boat: FP Lavezzi 40
Posts: 4,309
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
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Originally Posted by Qismat
Our build of the 44 is still progressing as normal, with delivery likely expected 1-2 months earlier than the time we were given at contract signing. That remains to be seen.
They have found the source of the electrical leak, and its not present on any of the other boats. Unfortunately, it seems the wynns boat was the test subject for this particular issue.
We are upgrading to Beta 38 engines, and have pushed them to offer this to us for months. We think it will make the motoring speed more in line with what is expected. It adds one extra cylinder and therefore a bit of extra weight, but its something i'm willing to compromise on for the extra power.
As for the weight, yes, I think it will be slightly heavier than expected once loaded. Ours will not be a lightship as it will be a comfortable liveaboard cruising boat. I'm expecting about 12T.
If we can get 10-12 knots out of that, I will be happy, especially coming from a 20T 44ft monohull.
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Wise joice the 38 4 cylinder as it will run also smoother with less vibration then the 3 cylinder. The heavy load on the crankshaft in gen or combined gen+propulsion is also shared by one bearing more and less load on the whole engine.
I would also push them to replace the agm with lifepo4 dual purpose, for that get the upgrade alternator that's charging them. As backup I would definitely also ask them to install a small shorepower charger like the Phoenix 1-1-50 that you can charge 12V lifepo4 dual purpose from 230V inverters as their are no 48V to 12V DC2DC avaliable. It's a high-tech cat, lead makes no sense and lifepo4 are much more relaible. The 12V buffer lead agm is your single point of failure as the emotor control for the whole hybrid system needs 12V and for that an AGM, never ever. I would ask them to use a 90AH Winston without a BMS for that, works also perfect as emergency backup for both starters as no lighting strike can kill the BMS as it's not there, simply supervise with a BMV712. It's the perfect battery for that purpose.
https://lypbattery.com/winston-batte...cycle-battery/
Installed one 9 years ago in an unimog of a friend that owns an Austrian mountain hotel and the unimog is the winter all purpose and last resort vehicle. The battery see regularly- 20 degrees celcius and still has above new rated capacity...always starts it. He checked it before this winter season in October 2024 and it had 97AH from the 105AH when i installed it 9 years ago.
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02-01-2025, 20:04
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#470
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Brisbane/Norway
Boat: Mumby 48
Posts: 351
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
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Originally Posted by Qismat
We are upgrading to Beta 38 engines, and have pushed them to offer this to us for months. We think it will make the motoring speed more in line with what is expected. It adds one extra cylinder and therefore a bit of extra weight, but its something i'm willing to compromise on for the extra power.
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Are you going the parallel hybrids on yours?
If so, can you share the offered prop selection(s) and the options/tradeoffs between motoring and regen?
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03-01-2025, 04:34
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#471
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2018
Location: The Windward Islands, Caribbean
Boat: 2013 Nautitech 542
Posts: 178
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
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Originally Posted by Qismat
Our build of the 44 is still progressing as normal, with delivery likely expected 1-2 months earlier than the time we were given at contract signing. That remains to be seen.
They have found the source of the electrical leak, and its not present on any of the other boats. Unfortunately, it seems the wynns boat was the test subject for this particular issue.
We are upgrading to Beta 38 engines, and have pushed them to offer this to us for months. We think it will make the motoring speed more in line with what is expected. It adds one extra cylinder and therefore a bit of extra weight, but its something i'm willing to compromise on for the extra power.
As for the weight, yes, I think it will be slightly heavier than expected once loaded. Ours will not be a lightship as it will be a comfortable liveaboard cruising boat. I'm expecting about 12T.
If we can get 10-12 knots out of that, I will be happy, especially coming from a 20T 44ft monohull.
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You will have a great cruising boat (and good pointing ability with daggerboards) but I am worried you may be disappointed if you’re expecting 10-12kts. I don’t recall seeing any episodes of the Wynns with them doing those speeds, except the episode where they went on a test sail with a newly built lightship and were going around 10 in 30kts AWS and flat water.
I hope I’m wrong.
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05-01-2025, 05:33
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#472
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2021
Location: France
Boat: Current Marine CM50 (launch fall 2025)
Posts: 167
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
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Originally Posted by gsuescum
You will have a great cruising boat (and good pointing ability with daggerboards) but I am worried you may be disappointed if you’re expecting 10-12kts. I don’t recall seeing any episodes of the Wynns with them doing those speeds, except the episode where they went on a test sail with a newly built lightship and were going around 10 in 30kts AWS and flat water.
I hope I’m wrong.
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Two days ago we were sea trialing a full carbon CM46, almost empty, 8 people onboard, so around 7T.
We were beam reaching in 9 to 12 kts of wind at wind speed.
So yes, a smaller boat almost twice that displacement will hardly do 10-12 kts.
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05-01-2025, 08:03
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#473
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2020
Location: Spain
Boat: Outremer 45
Posts: 252
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
So what is the intention for them now? Are they giving the boat back to HH? Will they take it?
Seems like too many big issues to move forward and the yard where it is now cannot resolve them.
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05-01-2025, 08:47
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#474
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Urbanna, VA
Boat: Lagoon 380 PC Limited Edition
Posts: 457
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
From their video today they are still waiting on HH. They are in the US for the holidays and building a camper van to keep in the US for trips back to the US. The tone I got is they are still hoping HH can fix everything and they keep the boat.
Cheyne
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Today, 08:10
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#475
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2015
Boat: R&C Leopard 40
Posts: 1,034
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
Couple more videos, out in last week or two. No news on the boat other than "can't talk about it".
Sad.
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Today, 09:04
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#476
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2017
Boat: IP 44
Posts: 318
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Re: HH 44 by the Wynns
My guess is the more HH digs the more corrosion they find. They should seriously take the buyout at this point. Its taking way too long. They could have had any number of perfectly good used upgrade boats by now, but those guys love new and shiny.
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