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Old 23-01-2023, 21:18   #1
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Excess 14 new design

Has anyone looked into the new Excess 14 and how it would perform against non daggerboard cats and dagger board production cats. Is the performance near, say a Seawind 1370?
Huge upwind sail area on the Excess and deeper keels
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Using marketing numbers for length, sail area and displacement says faster than the big three but a tiny bit slower than "performance" cats in same size range.

Based on your windello thread we are considering many of the same boats. You have huge jumps in sizes between the Balance 442/Excess 14 and 50/52's you listed. For us the 50/52's are a bit more than we want to spend, considering some 48's.
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Old 25-01-2023, 12:29   #3
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Definitely differences in performance, comfort, price when it comes to this length gaps.
New boat builds prices are crazy with inflation

Excess 14 has the benefit of being built in a large production factory and having lower costs, thus lower prices

What 48s are you considering?
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Nautitech 48 and MaxCruise 48
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Has anyone looked into the new Excess 14 and how it would perform against non daggerboard cats and dagger board production cats. Is the performance near, say a Seawind 1370?
Huge upwind sail area on the Excess and deeper keels
Not well, The Excess Hull Beam is very very large, the centre of effort is higher the boom shorter. The wetted surface is huge.
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Old 25-01-2023, 18:41   #6
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Nautitech 48 and MaxCruise 48
Not that I'm unbiased, but the Max Cruise is a much different beast to the others. Much lighter/stiffer construction, much narrower hulls (10:1), and none of the fluffy of the other two.

It's much closer to the Balance 482, but hundred and hundreds of thousands of dollars less. Terry will take good care of you.
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Excess 14 hull fineness ratio is about 5.5:1. That says it all.
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Excess 14 hull fineness ratio is about 5.5:1. That says it all.


Wow! Thatís close to a monohull?
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Old 26-01-2023, 18:31   #9
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Not that I'm unbiased, but the Max Cruise is a much different beast to the others. Much lighter/stiffer construction, much narrower hulls (10:1), and none of the fluffy of the other two.

It's much closer to the Balance 482, but hundred and hundreds of thousands of dollars less. Terry will take good care of you.
Im going to give Max Cruise a call to get more information than their website gives.
I feel like there would be nothing worse than buying a new boat and finding out it doesnít sail well
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Im going to give Max Cruise a call to get more information than their website gives.

I feel like there would be nothing worse than buying a new boat and finding out it doesnít sail well
If you have any Max Cruise questions, just let me know.

The mold has just been pulled for the 48 and the first one should be ready early in the fall. I believe three are sold so far, but with their production schedule, that just means hull 4 would be around ready the beginning of next year.
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Im going to give Max Cruise a call to get more information than their website gives.
I feel like there would be nothing worse than buying a new boat and finding out it doesnít sail well
If this is a real concern and you are really into the sailing performance you need to actually sail some cats, Lots of them as many as you can crew, deliver, charter, cadge rides, anything. Evaluate your needs, ocean cruising, coastal, racing, week ending, dock queen. Are you a couple, like crew, need crew, have kids.

We did this over a 5 year period sailing about 40 different multihulls then chose to commission a boat we had never sailed. 25 years on there is still only a couple boats I would consider come close.

IMO a cat in the mid 40ft range should displace under 8T - Max Cruise 44. Dazcat 1295. Lightwave 46. As Matt put it not fluffy.

On the other hand if you are looking for a floating bar or house there are plenty of choices but most don't "sail" really well, not badly just not great.

Look at the size of the engines. Check the engine hours on second hand boats always a good indication of sailing performance (use a bit of judgement most charter boats use their engines for charging). Boats that sail well don't need big engines or have larger engine options on the price list. Pick a few boats that you like the look of that are out there sailing and track them on Marine Traffic. Study their statistics. Look at the displacement and the hull beam ratio. WL Displacement, actual maximum loaded displacement and payload is hard to get from manufacturers. Most important ignore the propaganda. The Excess range, as far as I can see, is a marketing exercise, Lagoons with go faster strips and spoilers. I am not saying that is bad or they are bad boats.
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Lots of info can be gained from this website but beware, I believe they use designed specs not actual build specs. Use to be free but well worth the $12 per year.

https://multihulldynamics.com
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The Excess range, as far as I can see, is a marketing exercise, Lagoons with go faster strips and spoilers.
^^ This exactly.

Want to have a look at how it really looks like from the front?
No no no, that's not what they wish (Boot Dusseldorf) :
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I appreciate the info.
I understand sailing as many as possible would be the best option for getting a feel for what I want.
That does take a lot of time, money, and most of the models I would be interested in arenít available for test sails.

I trust the opinions of likeminded sailors.
And the spec info available on different models (SA, D, hull shapes)
Iím looking for more performance, not a floating condo

Iím going to test sail the excess 14 because itís available
I think the max cruise is available also, so it will be good to compare
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If you have any Max Cruise questions, just let me know.

The mold has just been pulled for the 48 and the first one should be ready early in the fall. I believe three are sold so far, but with their production schedule, that just means hull 4 would be around ready the beginning of next year.
Yes definitely interested, do you know what price a fully kitted out one would be?
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