Delos 2.0 cost

[Muaddib1116]

Does anyone have any real insight into either Delos or the custom aluminum boat building world that could give me an estimate of what building a custom aluminum ~50ft catamaran like Delos 2.0 would cost? No idea what the costs in Australia are like, for labor or materials. There are obviously also other operations like in South Africa and Asia. My gut says something close to 2mil for the de Villiers design and the Australian build.

[barnakiel]

I am helping in fitout of a custom alloy cat. A sailing boat.



55 ft long LOA.



The hull was .5 mio EUR in a Dutch boatyard. Bare bones. Just the hull, primed, painted and furniture/windows fitted.


No engines, no winches, no mast nor any other hardware (no pumps, no toilets, no nothing, just the hull finished and with windows and furniture). Ready to float, but not to go anywhere.


You can build cheaper in Asia or Africa, but quality will be different. The Dutch thing is prime - documented and with insurance in place.


We expect the fit-out to be less than 3m ready for a rtw. A boatyard fitout comes out at about the same figure (in Europe)



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[Muaddib1116]

Interesting, thanks! What's rtw?



So for an asia/south africa/australia build, it would probably still be at least 2m completed? Australia probably the most expensive and asia the cheapest?

[seandepagnier]

when i was in the philippines there was a guy building 40ft aluminum cats I think the price was about $250k in 2015.



Scaled up to 55ft in todays dollars this would be at least 1.2 million.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Muaddib1116

Interesting, thanks! What's rtw? ...

RTW = aRound The World.

[Muaddib1116]

ah, thanks

[JustMurph]

Originally Posted by Muaddib1116

Does anyone have any real insight into either Delos or the custom aluminum boat building world that could give me an estimate of what building a custom aluminum ~50ft catamaran like Delos 2.0 would cost? No idea what the costs in Australia are like, for labor or materials. There are obviously also other operations like in South Africa and Asia. My gut says something close to 2mil for the de Villiers design and the Australian build.

Talking to Dan at Stradbroke Yachts, they'll build you one in the Delos spec for about 3.1M AUD. Base spec on their SY52 is 2.8M. 800k AUD for the shell.

Edit: And I'll just say......damn their work looks good. Really really impressive fabrication.

[Cheyne]

So about $2m USD. Considering what you are getting not horrible.

Cheyne

[JustMurph]

Entirely adds up for a low volume quality build.

[chris14679]

The pricing and other details for the 25kw hybrid system for one side and the all-electric 25kw IPM inboard on the other side can be found on the supplier's website:
electricboat.co.nz

Go to the "Shop" section, find the product, select the options from the drop-down lists on the right hand side and the total at the top will update.

[Kinkircating]

So we are about a month away from splashing one of the boats that Delos considers a benchmark of what they are trying to achieve (Balance 526), so I can provide a reasonable guesstimate.

For the base level boat ready to go sailing you're looking at $2M USD. Keep in mind this is with an aluminum mast, steel rigging, Dacron sails, no dinghy, and a whole hell of a lot of sweat equity on their part. Now they start to add a bunch of goodies like a full complement of North Sails, Carbon stick, EC3 standing rigging, upgraded dyneema race grade running rigging, extra refrigeration, extra solar, a nice paint job instead of bare aluminum (which I would keep it bare myself), extra lithium, all electric winches, big chart plotters, titanium Padeyes, Starlink, higher end interior fit out, dyneema trampolines, bunch of inverters, washer/dryer, etc., etc., etc., the cost could easily top $3M USD.

Now, also keep in mind that Delos is probably the single best platform for all of these marine companies to provide free gear to them for their build (or substantially discounted. And they deserve 100% of what benefit they get from this as they are a true powerhouse in the marketing department, so with all of this said, I'm guessing what Delos will be out of pocket invested into this project will be around $1.3M...maybe less.

If somebody is planning on hiring this done starting in 2025, I'd recommend budgeting $3M. To me what will be interesting is what their operating costs will be on this new amazing cat vs. the 20+ year old Amel. They can clearly afford it, but hoping they share the details (minus what sponsorships cost reductions).

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by Muaddib1116

Interesting, thanks! What's rtw?



So for an asia/south africa/australia build, it would probably still be at least 2m completed? Australia probably the most expensive and asia the cheapest?

Intended round the world cruise - the owner has retired last year. They want to go sailing autumn 2025. Permanently sailing. No time limit.


My part is to source and suggest all things mechanical, rigging (the spar will be a carbon monopiece from Southern Spars) and sails.


We have already decided a sail loft in Denmark will build the sails. Quality, but regular materials. Except the head part of the main that is square and will be built in exotics.



We have already decided the winches will be Lewmar. Two of these electric. Synthetic rigging.


Most likely diesel engines. Possibly alternative energy banks (but not Lithium). 10kW solar panels.


Some things are dirt cheap (solar energy) others about as expected (engines) and some are just too expensive (electric winches).


Australia and Asia did not seem too expensive to me. But lacked quality. Australia's main drawback is you import ALL hardware - so you add taxes / transportation / insurance. This blows the roof of your project. Asia is easier to import things, less red tape, but some language barriers.



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[Kinkircating]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

Most likely diesel engines. Possibly alternative energy banks (but not Lithium). 10kW solar panels.



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Do I understand this correctly that they will have 10kW worth of solar panels? Can you share what manufacturer, and what output per panel?

[ozolli]

Originally Posted by Kinkircating

Do I understand this correctly that they will have 10kW worth of solar panels? Can you share what manufacturer, and what output per panel?

Yes, it seems unreal to me on a 55ft cat...

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by Kinkircating

Do I understand this correctly that they will have 10kW worth of solar panels? Can you share what manufacturer, and what output per panel?

I need to look up the order.


Imported from China. A large pack of 24V panels. Alloy frame. Same thing as they use in off grid commercial installations.


Found the make : LONGI, Pmax 425 (black), 21 kg per unit, 22% eff (module)



We can fit either 25 or else 11 each side. I voted 11 a side as this leaves a catwalk below the boom and all the way to the end of the boom - which is better to arrange the sail, access the sheet blocks, etc. Also much better when we will bend on and remove the main.


Otherwise attached Victron hardware, mostly.


The panels are EUR 50 per unit plus IVA (tax). From China, when you split a palet (36) with another build. As we did.



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