Cruising cat - sub 90 degrees tack upwind

[Donkey]

I have finally found the true reason the for rising sea levels.......

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...1&d=1622005352

[Donkey]

Pop Quiz.....
The lagoon 400 was designed to
A. Eat up the miles to windward
B. Achieve effortless 200nM days downwind
C. Make 44c eat his words after a race to Lord Howe
D. Fulfill the needs of the charter boat market at the cheapest possible cost. E.g save time and money on primary bulkhead attachment.

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by Donkey

I have finally found the true reason the for rising sea levels.......

https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...1&d=1622005352

Thank you, oh thank you, I so enjoyed the laugh.

And D is so obviously the answer.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Donkey

Pop Quiz.....
The lagoon 400 was designed to
A. Eat up the miles to windward
B. Achieve effortless 200nM days downwind
C. Make 44c eat his words after a race to Lord Howe
D. Fulfill the needs of the charter boat market at the cheapest possible cost. E.g save time and money on primary bulkhead attachment.

bit of truth here

but L 400 was designed as value for money ocean going vessel with combination of good payload & performance & comfort in mind. See how many crossed oceans. I think it achieved this goal in a great way.

A-it does surprisingly well to windward. So we enjoy the trip upwind.
B. Working on it.
C. Never interested in racing anyone. Raced 1 x and this was 1 x too many times.
D. Efficient boat building, our boat really well made but many others say no. Track record pretty good so i think it is more internet fearmongering than anything else. Have seen worse from other boatbuilders.

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

bit of truth here

but L 400 was designed as value for money ocean going vessel with combination of good payload & performance & comfort in mind. See how many crossed oceans. I think it achieved this goal in a great way.

A-it does surprisingly well to windward. So we enjoy the trip upwind.
B. Working on it.
C. Never interested in racing anyone. Raced 1 x and this was 1 x too many times.
D. Efficient boat building, our boat really well made but many others say no. Track record pretty good so i think it is more internet fearmongering than anything else. Have seen worse from other boatbuilders.

Please oh please identify those others.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Uncle Bob

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Please oh please identify those others.

you just look at ones that have gone bankrupt. Plenty around.

[arsenelupiga]

i dont see any point of this chat as no value added regarding sailing which is only thing i am interested in.

wish you all following seas and get out there

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

you just look at ones that have gone bankrupt. Plenty around.

Please identify, vague accusations are meaningless.

[Jim Cate]

Going bankrupt as a boat builder is not specifically related to poor construction. More often is is quite the opposite, ie, putting too much time and money into the construction and failing to make a profit in the market place. Other times it is due to poor management, labor difficulties or government intervention (ie luxury tax on yachts).

So, I'll add my voice: what builders have worse construction records than Lagoon... you say you've seen plenty, so name them and point out their shortcomings.

Jim

[Donkey]

Originally Posted by arsenelupiga

bit of truth here

but L 400 was designed as value for money ocean going vessel with combination of good payload & performance & comfort in mind. See how many crossed oceans. I think it achieved this goal in a great way.

A-it does surprisingly well to windward. So we enjoy the trip upwind.
B. Working on it.
C. Never interested in racing anyone. Raced 1 x and this was 1 x too many times.
D. Efficient boat building, our boat really well made but many others say no. Track record pretty good so i think it is more internet fearmongering than anything else. Have seen worse from other boatbuilders.

At 10T plus and a waterline girth (beam just doesn’t do it justice) to length measurement of 8:1, it goes upwind exactly as I would expect.

[arsenelupiga]

this thread is about tacking cruising cat. As audience does not like that some cruising cats on their bad list tack really well, thread gets spammed.

I have 7 years ownership and sail experience and have seen enough to establish my own opinion based on evidence regarding boat quality.

You base your statements on 'internet knowledge' which has proven worth less than zero.

Not selling anything, so do your own homework if you looking for boat and do not trust internet as it is littered by spam. Everything needs to be verified.


See you out there, hope you have fun too.

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Donkey

At 10T plus and a waterline girth (beam just doesn’t do it justice) to length measurement of 8:1, it goes upwind exactly as I would expect.

you have not heard?

We go too fast upwind for CF when wind above 20 true.

[tp12]

This thread has been enough to drag me back out of lurking ....

What I've learned so far:

1-Assumptions don't need to be validated and are a fact, if you're a certain poster...

2-Alongside 1, I can make up any numbers I want, bugger the designers views and numbers and the experience of quite a few sailors, and make fast boats slow and slow boats fast

3-Self awareness isn't ubiquitous

Have I missed anything?

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by tp12

This thread has been enough to drag me back out of lurking ....

What I've learned so far:

1-Assumptions don't need to be validated and are a fact, if you're a certain poster...

2-Alongside 1, I can make up any numbers I want, bugger the designers views and numbers and the experience of quite a few sailors, and make fast boats slow and slow boats fast

3-Self awareness isn't ubiquitous

Have I missed anything?

congrats! you finally made it on water. was already worrying where are your precious comments.

at least you talk sailing

Sure you have seen my upwind tracks ? they are updated every second so impossible to write them by hand.

And if you look at heading of this thread it says " Cruising cat - sub 90 degrees tack upwind".

Unfortunately no other cat than 2 smaller lagoons able to supply evidence. This is excluding daggers boats as at this point still believe daggers provide some advantage.

[Donkey]

It is a wonderful thing that you enjoy your boat and I hope you continue to do so. Having followed your posts for a few years I believe your experience is limited to your current boat. Without going back and looking, I think you also suggested that you might upgrade some time in the future. You are clearly interested in performance and don’t need a huge payload. There are boats out there that will blow your mind......and your Lagoon out of the water.

Enjoy your cruising.