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[sddmack]

I wonder how it sails....it really looks like the 38 but you dont have to worry about the lashings and you have more protection getting in/out of the hulls. I wonder if the wharram folks were cool with what they did.

Owly.....they are asking $93k. It needs some work. It has a single 35 hp diesel.

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by sddmack

I wonder how it sails....it really looks like the 38 but you dont have to worry about the lashings and you have more protection getting in/out of the hulls. I wonder if the wharram folks were cool with what they did.

I very much doubt that James Wharram would be 'cool with this' for a number of reasons. He is mostly against all these crazy modifications since his ethos is to keep the boats low profile, low windage, and low weight.

Although this boat might be quite practical sadly I imagine that it does not sail very well.

Even without all that extra weight a Tiki 38 normally has 2 of those rigs - they are schooners, so about 50% of the sail area is now missing (unless that's an enlarged sailplan / Tiki 46 rig on that boat).

Here's the orginal rig:



Here is how low profile and low windage they should look:



And here is one showing that they can be sailed hard and fast - if wet (average speeds in the low teens):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u50DVuFcoRQ

[Redreuben]

It’s actually a pretty neat job, I’ve seen worse, a lot worse !

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by Redreuben

It’s actually a pretty neat job, I’ve seen worse, a lot worse !

Yes agreed, at least it doesn't look totally terrible

[owly]

Originally Posted by jmh2002

There are 50 photos so I won't post them all.

Owly, yes I know it's annoying but it's worthwhile to register on boatshed as it works for all of them (Plymouth, Puket, etc) and they often have a lot of photos.

I just register and then unsubscibe to their emails after (or use a disposable email address).

Anyway, it's worthwhile for you in particular case to see this boat and how they achieved what they did.

I wouldn't expect you to post them all !! This boat is not of great interest to me personally for a number of reasons, though it could meet my needs. Budget may well force me into the Wharram camp (reluctantly).



Deep V hulls and canoe sterns do not a Wharram make, nor does plywood construction Clearly it does not use lashed beams (God Be Praised!). I consider flex beam construction and canoe sterns two of Wharram's worst ideas.... more of a style statement than anything. Other designers have avoided those two features for good reason. What is intriguing is the wing shelf shown in the berth photo, extending over the bridge deck. It is unfortunate that we don't have pictures of the galley and the other main hull cabin. I would suspect from what little can be seen in these photos, that the cabin sole is far higher than on a Wharram, perhaps only around 3' below bridge deck level, as it appears that the boxed in areas at the stbd side of the settee are work space or storage cabinets, and that there is a counter top along the outboard side of the hull at the same level as the bridge deck. On the T38 the cabin sole would be about 18" lower making spaces at bridge deck useless as work spaces. There is also a higher shelf along that side. Presumably the galley is to port in this boat.



If I had a serious interest in this boat, I might register with Boatshed, and as suggested use a "disposable" email.......Yahoo just closed that one due to lack of use. I try not to give out any more info on the net than necessary, nor do I carry a cell phone around, or even own a smart phone..... guess I'm a bit old fashioned ;-)


Richard Wood took the wing concept to a rather brilliant level in one of his first designs, the Mira, shortly after he quit working with James Wharram. It used the deep V hull for ease of construction presumably, and leeway. The open deck boat had huge cabins as a result of the wings. Here is a photo from his website:

I'd love to see one up close and personal. He also dispensed with the canoe sterns, and the flexible beams. Most of these that are still in captivity seem to have had bridge deck cabins added.

[Franziska]

Funny that you mention the Mira, my boat Lady Rover is a Mira with an added bridgedeck cabin which the previous owner did add (without contacting Richard afaik).
More pictures under www.ladyrover.com

Shes not for sale though ;-)

Best regards,

Franziska

Originally Posted by owly

I wouldn't expect you to post them all !! This boat is not of great interest to me personally for a number of reasons, though it could meet my needs. Budget may well force me into the Wharram camp (reluctantly).



Deep V hulls and canoe sterns do not a Wharram make, nor does plywood construction Clearly it does not use lashed beams (God Be Praised!). I consider flex beam construction and canoe sterns two of Wharram's worst ideas.... more of a style statement than anything. Other designers have avoided those two features for good reason. What is intriguing is the wing shelf shown in the berth photo, extending over the bridge deck. It is unfortunate that we don't have pictures of the galley and the other main hull cabin. I would suspect from what little can be seen in these photos, that the cabin sole is far higher than on a Wharram, perhaps only around 3' below bridge deck level, as it appears that the boxed in areas at the stbd side of the settee are work space or storage cabinets, and that there is a counter top along the outboard side of the hull at the same level as the bridge deck. On the T38 the cabin sole would be about 18" lower making spaces at bridge deck useless as work spaces. There is also a higher shelf along that side. Presumably the galley is to port in this boat.



If I had a serious interest in this boat, I might register with Boatshed, and as suggested use a "disposable" email.......Yahoo just closed that one due to lack of use. I try not to give out any more info on the net than necessary, nor do I carry a cell phone around, or even own a smart phone..... guess I'm a bit old fashioned ;-)


Richard Wood took the wing concept to a rather brilliant level in one of his first designs, the Mira, shortly after he quit working with James Wharram. It used the deep V hull for ease of construction presumably, and leeway. The open deck boat had huge cabins as a result of the wings. Here is a photo from his website:

I'd love to see one up close and personal. He also dispensed with the canoe sterns, and the flexible beams. Most of these that are still in captivity seem to have had bridge deck cabins added.

[owly]

Originally Posted by Franziska

Funny that you mention the Mira, my boat Lady Rover is a Mira with an added bridgedeck cabin which the previous owner did add (without contacting Richard afaik).
More pictures under www.ladyrover.com

Shes not for sale though ;-)

Best regards,

Franziska

I've been aware of your boat and website for a long time. Nice boat! It's one of several Miras with cabins. One was for sale not so long ago... I believe in the Netherlands, or was it in the UK... I don't recall. It had a Banshee cabin on it. A good design, and not many floating around on the market. I suspect Richard would approve a low profile cabin if it was kept light weight. Weight and windage are the issues of course. Bridge deck clearance is too important to squander by making a heavy boat. It's a long enough boat that a cabin makes sense, but there aren't any keels or boards if my memory serves me. Bernd Kohler shows a single central "dagger board" that folds back like a centerboard in his latest KD 860 drawings that would be retrofittable to something like Mira or a Wharram. Don't quote me, but I believe he likes the NACA 2012 foil section, and presume it is a long slender board like a daggerboard.

[smj]

There was a Woods design Banshee that came on the market in the US for $25k about a month ago. Didn’t last long at all on the market.

[ausnp84]

Crowther Buccanneer 36 - $75k (AUD)
https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for...neer-36/253636


John Glennie 40 Tri - $75k (AUD)
https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for...rimaran/255696

I’d be all over this one if I was back in Aus. Solid as a rock, roomy, and a cracking price...

N

[Sand crab]

I had a Buc 34 and she was/still is a great fast boat. Really fast, scary fast. It's good to see another with solid vakas or wings like mine was. Some have said that all Bucs had aluminum beams so mine was an anomaly but now we have more proof that some beams were built in wood/glass. Must have been a Crowther option I guess.

[Sand crab]

How about a 1998 Manta 40 near Sandusky, Ohio (Lake Erie) that's been on the hard for 10 years. It looks like the engines only have 679 hours but she's definitely a project.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90178

[ausnp84]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

How about a 1998 Manta 40 near Sandusky, Ohio (Lake Erie) that's been on the hard for 10 years. It looks like the engines only have 679 hours but she's definitely a project.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90178

New rigging, sails, decent scrub and service all the mechanicals... do the elbow grease yourself and that’s a lot of boat for the money!

N

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by ausnp84

New rigging, sails, decent scrub and service all the mechanicals... do the elbow grease yourself and that’s a lot of boat for the money!

N

Seems really good to me too. A lot of the needed updating I'd want to do on just about any of these boats anyway.

Matt

[Sand crab]

This 2002 FP Bahia 46 was listed for about a day before an offer was made but at only $129,000 it's no wonder. There's a Coast Guard lien on it but I'm sure that will be dealt with at closing. The broker says it's an owners version but then also says it's a 4 cabin. I think the OVs were rare so it's probably a 4 cabin. I suspect the brokers company already had a buyer in the wings.
https://www.multihullcompany.com/boa...?catid=7734275

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

How about a 1998 Manta 40 near Sandusky, Ohio (Lake Erie) that's been on the hard for 10 years. It looks like the engines only have 679 hours but she's definitely a project.

https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/90178

That was my early on all time dream boat.
A very nice boat.
Alas, I am no longer a sailor.