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[longjonsilver]

Originally Posted by Sailorman Ed

I never saw a urinal in a cat before, maybe this was to be a tour boat

Very likely could be, as she has a huge cockpit.

[Sand crab]

A CSK design with daggerboards for $25,000.
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/...112792452.html

[ausnp84]

Originally Posted by Sand crab

A CSK design with daggerboards for $25,000.
https://jacksonville.craigslist.org/...112792452.html

Oh man, were we not under Corona lockdown I’d be on a flight to look at this one.

CSK 36’s... are they ply/epoxy or grp? I remember Imi Loa had quite a few cracks that looked suspiciously like ply / epoxy, but then they could all be built differently.

N

[Boatguy30]

As far as I know, they are ply and maybe polyester.

That was some really nice ply, but likely a powder glue was used on the stringers and these old boats can get very brittle and joints fail easily.

Seems totally unrealistically priced.

[ausnp84]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

As far as I know, they are ply and maybe polyester.

That was some really nice ply, but likely a powder glue was used on the stringers and these old boats can get very brittle and joints fail easily.

Seems totally unrealistically priced.

Ok ta.

How’s $25k for a 36ft unrealistic though? It’s going to need (at minimum) a re-rig (standing and running), maybe new tramps, new plumbing and wiring, steering and other systems looked at. Having just done it on a 42ft cat, that’s £20k and about a year of refitting by one person (faster as a couple).

So based on 1.2 conversion, that’s about $50k for a 36ft cat. Add in another $25k for some serious glass work and sundries, and for $75k (or thereabouts) you’ve got a well sorted good-size cat with an excellent reputation (as most CSKs have).

N

[smj]

Originally Posted by ausnp84

Ok ta.



How’s $25k for a 36ft unrealistic though? It’s going to need (at minimum) a re-rig (standing and running), maybe new tramps, new plumbing and wiring, steering and other systems looked at. Having just done it on a 42ft cat, that’s £20k and about a year of refitting by one person (faster as a couple).



So based on 1.2 conversion, that’s about $50k for a 36ft cat. Add in another $25k for some serious glass work and sundries, and for $75k (or thereabouts) you’ve got a well sorted good-size cat with an excellent reputation (as most CSKs have).



N

The old production fiberglass CSK designed Polycons can be had for $35k and less, so putting $75k into a polyester/plywood CSK of an equal size would be way over invested in my opinion.

[ausnp84]

Originally Posted by smj

The old production fiberglass CSK designed Polycons can be had for $35k and less, so putting $75k into a polyester/plywood CSK of an equal size would be way over invested in my opinion.

Aaaah gotcha! Yeh that makes total sense - if you can get a grp one for the same price as poly / ply, absolutely get a grp one any day of the week.

Do we know what this one is?

N

[owly]

How about Derek Kelsall's famous Trifle at $14.5K in New York. 42' lOA, 27' beam... an awesome ocean racing boat. https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/85222

[Sand crab]

The Trifle specs say 47' bridge clearance but is that right? My Crowther was 54' high with 34' length. I think the stick was 48'.

[clockwork orange]

Originally Posted by Boatguy30

As far as I know, they are ply and maybe polyester.

That was some really nice ply, but likely a powder glue was used on the stringers and these old boats can get very brittle and joints fail easily.

Seems totally unrealistically priced.

You may be right about ply/polyester, the US was a bit late with using epoxy, so as you say, they may have used a powder type glue but if it were resorcinol, that would be every bit as good as epoxy but polyester sheathing over plywood, not good. I think the only CSK that was production built in grp was the Polycon but they were well known to be overweight when compared to plywood builds such as Buddy Ebsens original Polynesian Concept which they were modeled from.

[purvisgs]

Another old school catamaran Kantola 34 in CA

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...114378555.html

[ausnp84]

Originally Posted by purvisgs

Another old school catamaran Kantola 34 in CA

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/...114378555.html

Another belter. Do the CSK’s and Kantolas come up for sale much in the US? And anyone got a good forum or resource for researching them?

N

[Sand crab]

Originally Posted by ausnp84

Another belter. Do the CSK’s and Kantolas come up for sale much in the US? And anyone got a good forum or resource for researching them?

N

It's a bit tedious but if you enter in your search criteria on Craigslist then you can go from city to city along the coast. So say I'm looking for a trimaran over 30'. Enter trimaran and a length if you want in the boats section and start in San Diego. Right now there's a Corsair and a few smaller trailer sailers. Now click the arrow next to San Diego and it shows LA as the next major city and you will get new results based on your criteria. It also shows nearby areas so you don't have to zero in on one city. Then work your way up the coast. You will need to go inland to Redding which will usually show nothing but the next click is the Oregon Coast.
It helps if you know the geography. Typing catamaran and trimaran in the same search doesn't work because then it's searching for a catamaran trimaran. 5 hulls, man that just boggles my brain.

[Matt Johnson]

2010 Farrier f-36 for $64,000 in Australia

https://au.yachtworld.com/boats/2010...f-36--3670887/

Matt

[purvisgs]

There aren't many Kantolas (more tris than cats) but the ones I've seen are nice designs, ahead of their time. There was a Kantola tri for sale in latitude 38 not too long ago, and I'd imagine the big one (60ft?) that someone converted to a crabclaw rig is still for sale if you've got deep pockets. They were mostly in California so probably a few tucked away around the sf bay delta.

CSKs are probably slightly more plentiful, even though most are now 50+ years old! There were only ~6-10 polycons (36ft?) in glass so to say that they're out there for 30k might be a stretch. But there have been a handful on the market over the years in varying condition.

I too would avoid owning polyester (and ply) boats even if they were free and I can't think of any/many exceptions I've come across