Catamaran Capsize.

[HVYJimmy]

Perhaps they all joined Border Force , and are Busy running around in there flash Big boats and aircraft , harassing as Cruiser's ?

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by ozsailer

...The local weather forecast was a strong wind warning with 20 to 30 knots of wind from west but that was upgraded to a gale warning later in the morning with 2 to 3 metre sea on a 1 metres swell...

When we were cruising on Australia's East Coast we learned, after a couple of exciting experiences, that the weather forecasts you get at 7:00 AM will likely change after brekky and morning newspapers are finished by the guys at Australian Bureau of Meteorology, like say, around 9:30 AM.

[Ozbullwinkle]

As a professional mariner & delivery skipper I too am very interested in the findings of the enquiry.

I can try & find out when the Coroners Inquest will be held but to do so I would need to know the names of the deceased people.

I have tried to find these details through Google searches without success.

I realise that this is a delicate subject but the findings if made public could assist to save lives in the future.

Can anyone provide these details to me if they are 100% sure that their information is accurate?

[Factor]

All Coronial Inquest findings for NSW are available at

https://www.coroners.nsw.gov.au/coro...gs-search.html

The Brief case summaries would give a guide as to the subject matter, I wouldnt have expected that this matter would be finalised yet, I note the most recent published findings relate to deaths in 2018.

[Ozbullwinkle]

Originally Posted by Factor

All Coronial Inquest findings for NSW are available at

https://www.coroners.nsw.gov.au/coro...gs-search.html

The Brief case summaries would give a guide as to the subject matter, I wouldnt have expected that this matter would be finalised yet, I note the most recent published findings relate to deaths in 2018.

Hi Factor, thanks for your input but I have already tried this with no success. As far as I am aware the name of a deceased person is required to search for a particular Inquest whether it be either already completed or scheduled for the future.

[Seaslug Caravan]

Originally Posted by Ozbullwinkle

Can anyone provide these details to me if they are 100% sure that their information is accurate?

Helen and Rod Cooper ( both 78) and an unnamed family friend.

Did the designer ever issue a statement.

I have had a conversation with the skipper of the Spirited 380 that flipped south of Kangaroo Island. His new chamberlain cat has much better handling characteristics, apparently.

[mglonnro]

Originally Posted by Factor

All Coronial Inquest findings for NSW are available at

https://www.coroners.nsw.gov.au/coro...gs-search.html

The Brief case summaries would give a guide as to the subject matter, I wouldnt have expected that this matter would be finalised yet, I note the most recent published findings relate to deaths in 2018.

We'll have to wait patiently then. Thank you for the link.

[chrisr]

Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan

Did the designer ever issue a statement..

No !...been completely quiet, which speaks volumes actually...

cheers,

[atlroofman]

Originally Posted by fxykty

There is a relatively expensive system called upside up UpSide Up anticapsize - MyBoatsGear.com. Heel is not a good indication of load (think of inclination on the side of a swell - may be heeling 20 degrees but both hulls firmly planted), so a load-based system is more useful.

But if cruisers reef for the gusts, then gusts aren’t a worry. It does mean paying attention to the wind trends, especially local effects, and accepting being underpowered during the average wind and lulls. Note that this isn’t commentary about this thread’s incident.

Regardless, extremely sorry for the families involved in the accident and I wish to express my condolences. A horrible tragedy.

Maybe they could develope a sacrifical linc in the rig to drop the rig when it developed a specified tension before the hull flips.

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by Ozbullwinkle

As a professional mariner & delivery skipper I too am very interested in the findings of the enquiry.

I can try & find out when the Coroners Inquest will be held but to do so I would need to know the names of the deceased people.

I have tried to find these details through Google searches without success.

I realise that this is a delicate subject but the findings if made public could assist to save lives in the future.

Can anyone provide these details to me if they are 100% sure that their information is accurate?

I've been wondering why the focus on this particular capsize when there was also recently capsize Régis Guillemot's TS5 Hallucine off Portugal. Reports from Régis indicate an impact which flipped the catamarn but in the photo there is no indication of hull damage. Why aren't we talking about that one?

And there are others.

I mean, it is not hard to find stories about performance catamarans capsizing, even with the most qualified experts on board.

Here are four I found in Google searches quite easily:

• ATLANTIC 57 CAPSIZE: More Details on the Fate of Leopard
  
  https://wavetrain.net/2016/11/25/atl...te-of-leopard/
  
  
• Régis Guillemot's “Hallucine” catamaran capsizes off Vigo: one dead, three survivors
  
  https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-franc...1-64af5fb563fa
  
  
• Catamaran Fujin capsized near Saba – crew rescued
  February 21, 2018
  
  https://www.saba-news.com/catamaran-...0upside%20down.
  
  
• World on Water show, First segment Capsize of Trimaran Argo With interview of crew 3:25 I'm not putting the link but you can find it by searching for this: WoW EXTRA Caribbean 600 Start February 18.2019 Capsize
  

So I think that the danger of capsizing a performance multihull is understated by catamaran owners and my worry about it is justified. It just seems too easy when even the most experienced sailors have it happen.

And in my case, since I really like high performance boats and this is the kind I'd think I'd like to have, and I usually sail with inexperienced people, this scares me.

Photo: (I am sorry if this photo upsets the Catamaran fans, but how does this happen to a guy like Regis?)

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by wingssail

I've been wondering why the focus on this particular capsize when there was also recently capsize Régis Guillemot's TS5 Hallucine off Portugal. Reports from Régis indicate an impact which flipped the catamarn but in the photo there is no indication of hull damage. Why aren't we talking about that one?

And there are others.

I mean, it is not hard to find stories about performance catamarans capsizing, even with the most qualified experts on board.

Here are four I found in Google searches quite easily:

• ATLANTIC 57 CAPSIZE: More Details on the Fate of Leopard
  
  https://wavetrain.net/2016/11/25/atl...te-of-leopard/
  
  
• Régis Guillemot's “Hallucine” catamaran capsizes off Vigo: one dead, three survivors
  
  https://voilesetvoiliers.ouest-franc...1-64af5fb563fa
  
  
• Catamaran Fujin capsized near Saba – crew rescued
  February 21, 2018
  
  https://www.saba-news.com/catamaran-...0upside%20down.
  
  
• World on Water show, First segment Capsize of Trimaran Argo With interview of crew 3:25 I'm not putting the link but you can find it by searching for this: WoW EXTRA Caribbean 600 Start February 18.2019 Capsize
  

So I think that the danger of capsizing a performance multihull is understated by catamaran owners and my worry about it is justified. It just seems too easy when even the most experienced sailors have it happen.

And in my case, since I really like high performance boats and this is the kind I'd think I'd like to have, and I usually sail with inexperienced people, this scares me.

Photo: (I am sorry if this photo upsets the Catamaran fans, but how does this happen to a guy like Regis?)

You said it, How many cruising Catamarans flip over,
Performance Multi's and Mono's are usually sailing to the extremes,
Racing cars usually end up in the turf also,

[wingssail]

Originally Posted by Mr B

You said it, How many cruising Catamarans flip over,
Performance Multi's and Mono's are usually sailing to the extremes,
Racing cars usually end up in the turf also,

I just have to say, Mr B, that my boat was considered a performance mono when it was new. (Many cruisers still think my boat is an extreme race boat, but it isn't, of course. High performance, yes, extreme, no)

But none of these incidents occured in conditions which would cause my boat, or any monohull I know of, to be capsized, rolled or flipped or sunk no matter how hard it's being sailed.

The catamarans are simply more dangerous.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by wingssail

I've been wondering why the focus on this particular capsize when there was also recently capsize Régis Guillemot's TS5 Hallucine off Portugal. Reports from Régis indicate an impact which flipped the catamarn but in the photo there is no indication of hull damage. Why aren't we talking about that one?

And there are others.

I mean, it is not hard to find stories about performance catamarans capsizing, even with the most qualified experts on board.

Here are four I found in Google searches quite easily:
...

One link four years old and was caused by a microburst that actually picked the boat up. Very rare event and equally dangerous for monohulls https://www.thelog.com/local/microbu...oats-one-sunk/

A reference to Hallucine, the actual circumstances of which we don’t yet know. We don’t know whether a monohull would have fared better or worse in their situation.

Two links to capsizes during the Caribbean 600 race, while racing, with full crews. What has this to do with cruising?

Originally Posted by 3276628

So I think that the danger of capsizing a performance multihull is understated by catamaran owners and my worry about it is justified. It just seems too easy when even the most experienced sailors have it happen.

And in my case, since I really like high performance boats and this is the kind I'd think I'd like to have, and I usually sail with inexperienced people, this scares me.

Photo: (I am sorry if this photo upsets the Catamaran fans, but how does this happen to a guy like Regis?)

In a different thread I found 5 instances in just New Zealand in the past three years where monohulls had sunk and killed one or more of their crew.

How do you figure cruising cats capsizing while cruising is more common than monohulls sinking? Insurance companies don’t think so.

Wings, I respect you, but you’re showing a common behaviour of doing a Google search and drawing conclusions that the links don’t warrant. But if you want to be scared of something that’s not really there, that’s just fine.

[smj]

Originally Posted by wingssail

I just have to say, Mr B, that my boat was considered a performance mono when it was new. (Many cruisers still think my boat is an extreme race boat, but it isn't, of course. High performance, yes, extreme, no)



But none of these incidents occured in conditions which would cause my boat, or any monohull I know of, to be capsized, rolled or flipped or sunk no matter how hard it's being sailed.



The catamarans are simply more dangerous.

And no catamaran would experience their keel falling of with the boat sinking and loss of life.
Monohulls are simply more dangerous.

[fxykty]

Originally Posted by wingssail

I just have to say, Mr B, that my boat was considered a performance mono when it was new. (Many cruisers still think my boat is an extreme race boat, but it isn't, of course. High performance, yes, extreme, no)



But none of these incidents occured in conditions which would cause my boat, or any monohull I know of, to be capsized, rolled or flipped or sunk no matter how hard it's being sailed.



The catamarans are simply more dangerous.

Have you ever had:
Direct hit by a microburst?
Direct hit of a large UFO while reaching fast?

If not, then how do you know how your boat would fare?

The Sydney-Hobart race regularly has boats that sink, lose keels or rudders, roll over, lose rigs, lose crew members. Monohulls are not immune to catastrophe.