Can you have Comfort, Value and Performance in a Catamaran?

[Chotu]

Try Balance catamarans. Went aboard one at the Miami international boat show.

The boat was no nonsense and seems well designed

[jmh2002]

Originally Posted by harlem24

A more spartan, less cruising boat then the Marsadons are hardly imaginable...

Yeah, when a Gunboat is too slow of a cruising boat, somehow there are still other options...

Even as far as converting this:



to THIS:



https://www.superyachttimes.com/yach...-world-cruiser

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Hartings

About $1.2mill on the water fully specced

St Francis. $920k 'Sail Away Base Boat'.

attached Price list February 2020

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Try Balance catamarans. Went aboard one at the Miami international boat show.

The boat was no nonsense and seems well designed

I love the adjustable helm. They are out a few YEARS for delivery however. Base price for 482 is $1,032,000. Price is getting up there with options/delivery. 526 is ~1.5. No used on Market.

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by tomfl

Truth be told the nut behind the wheel is more of a factor in boat speed than anything else. I just finished crewing on the Baja Ha-Ha along with about 120 other boats that made the trip. It still shocks me how some boats I figured would be much faster would up being much slower than the boat I was on. I do like my Seawind and would suggest you look at the 1600. I consider the dagger board issue you mentioned a non factor. Even the stiffest boat does not really move straight ahead, there is always a little sideslip. This means a head on hit between a dagger board and an object is unlikely, rather it will be more of a glancing blow. My biggest fear is hitting a mostly submerged cargo carrier and taking out a big part of the hull. But I also understand that is unlikely.

The question is, who was last? I can be middle of the pack, Just don't want to be motoring. What does diesel cost in south pacific? $8/gallon......

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Hartings

Knysnas come for sale from time to time and sell quickly. They yard only builds 5 or 6 a year so obviously there ain’t many of them.

If you want a non-production boat then you have to seek them out. All the decent ones hold their values better than production boats for obvious reasons but in this size range they are also usually 3 cabin versions - again for obvious reasons

What do you mean by 'Seek Them Out'? Is there a strategy to it outside of broker listings?

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Hartings

For the better boats the difference will not be negligible

Which are the better boats though? I realize this debate has been ongoing for years and numberless threads here.

FP
Lagoon
Leopard

If you had to choose, which one do you go with for that little extra performance? At 50' the FP is the lightest by far.

[Hartings]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Which are the better boats though? I realize this debate has been ongoing for years and numberless threads here.



FP

Lagoon

Leopard



If you had to choose, which one do you go with for that little extra performance? At 50' the FP is the lightest by far.

For a start I wouldn’t go for a production boat, so my answer is none of the above. I think you need to do some more homework.

[tomfl]

Originally Posted by Astroman

The question is, who was last? I can be middle of the pack, Just don't want to be motoring. What does diesel cost in south pacific? $8/gallon......

The last group of boats were the ones who stopped at Bahia Maria for the party and then stayed till after TS Raymond hit Cabo San Lucas and missed the port closing. As for motoring this raises the issue of weather and route planning. The Ha-Ha is down current and down wind at the time of year it is run. The Baja Bash is the return trip against current and wind. When the Baja was first mapped in the 1500 the boats sometimes only made 2 miles a day going North.

Same goes for the South Pacific, some times of the year are much better than others; same for some routes. Which simply supports my claim that the nut behind the wheel is more important than the boat attached to the wheel.

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by Hartings

For a start I wouldn’t go for a production boat, so my answer is none of the above. I think you need to do some more homework.

Would you consider Privilege a production boat? Knysna?

[singlespeed]

If you really value performance, go with daggerboards and light weight. If you can keep from dragging every creature comfort on board and keep it light, I would go with an Outremer. Their over 50' models are very comfortable and have quite a bit of usable storage. You will sacrifice speed if your family must have a lot of"toys" and heavy appliances to enjoy cruising.

[CaptRehab]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

PRICE, PERFORMANCE, COMFORT - pick any two

Dick Newick. Pioneer Multihull Designer
There are, he claimed, three desirable characteristics that most clients would like to see in any boat–performance, low cost, and comfort. “You can have any two,” he told me. “But you can never have all three.”

[Astroman]

Originally Posted by singlespeed

If you really value performance, go with daggerboards and light weight. If you can keep from dragging every creature comfort on board and keep it light, I would go with an Outremer. Their over 50' models are very comfortable and have quite a bit of usable storage. You will sacrifice speed if your family must have a lot of"toys" and heavy appliances to enjoy cruising.

I have 4 kids and therefore needs the space at the moment. Would love to retire on Outremer in 20 years.

[Hartings]

Originally Posted by Astroman

Would you consider Privilege a production boat? Knysna?

IMHO neither are production boats - they offer the buyer the opportunity to change many things which production manufacturers won’t do, including sail plans.
There are others - Antares, Seawind, Discovery, Maverick, Balance etc etc
You say you saw the Knysna at a boat show so I assume you must have seen others too ?

[mglonnro]

Originally Posted by Hartings

IMHO neither are production boats - they offer the buyer the opportunity to change many things which production manufacturers won’t do, including sail plans.
There are others - Antares, Seawind, Discovery, Maverick, Balance etc etc
You say you saw the Knysna at a boat show so I assume you must have seen others too ?

Privilege aquired by Hanse owner Aurelius, though. To me, "production boat" has become more a recipe for good than bad: promise of efficient standardized processes, good quality, good support, good resale value.

The aim is to combine the expertise of HanseYachts in the series production of yachts with the catamaran-building experience of Privilège in order to make the Privilège brand one of the world’s most successful luxury catamaran brands.