Originally Posted by Steve_C
I would be very interested in your impressions of the 450S. I would have thought the boom height would not be an issue since its the "S" model.
One thing I do NOT like about the 450S is the Helm
Seat. Its very upright and close and since its built in it would be a major issue to do anything about it. At least on the 380 and 400 it would be very simple to upgrade to a much better aftermarket seat.
I have been conflicted for a long while about the benefits of the 450S vs the 400 and the 380. I love the thought of all the extra storage
and room but I also can REALLY appreciate keeping everything smaller and more manageable. Its not very often that I can find true unbiased direct comparisons.
I am especially interested in hearing more about the noise
issue. I have noticed when chartering a 450F that they can be noisy below when underway.
I would really appreciate hearing your thoughts.
The boom height for me was an issue.. at the mast
one has to mount 3 steps and hang onto a stay while fumbling one handed with the sail.. at the other end the boom has to be dropped to work
efficiently while the whipping boom tries to break your bones or knock you overboard
Still cannot understand why they fit a swivel block on the sail end of the main uphaul.. all it achives is a twist in the lines which has the annoying habit of jamming up when you want to drop the main necessitating clambering up the mast
to untwist it.. usually it instantly retwists as you clamber back down.
Have in the past superglued the swivel (with owners consent) to stop this happening.. works a treat.
The seat was comfortable enough for me.. a roomy bench seat big enough for two a sufficient space to walk easily between seat and helm
to go down to the cockpit
or out to the side deck
Regarding the noise
factor.. for me the wider the beam the greater the loads on the structure.. on this boat
there was terrible creaking stbd fore of the salon
where I would imagine the main beam support/structure is and the aft port corner where I imagine the main aft beam runs behind the galley
made a horrible grinding noise.. beam sea hull
slams were similar.
Going into 20-30kts I found 65 to 70degrees with 2-3 metre seas double reefed main single
fore to be the most comfortable and least punishing for the boat
.. still managed 8-10 knots but hardly any slamming bar the odd of angle lump.
What I could not believe however were the reefing recommendations posted by the helm.. bar sailing in near flat seas with the wind
off the land.. in the ocean with the seas those wind speeds produce I can only describe it as a 'How to break your boat so we can sell you another' guide.. Insane.!!!
Meant to take a picture of it but forgot.