Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 25-11-2020, 18:43   #181
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

It's also funny to read you "super racer" cat sailors bash the rest of us. Just so you know, we don't care - not at all. No way would I give up all the nice things that makes cruising comfortable for my wife, family, friends, and myself for the sparsity it takes to achieve whatever level of performance your bragging about.

Wow... i had no idea you took my comments as bashing cruisers... not meant to be
And bragging about performance... is that how it came across...?

But in other news, I don't recall a thread deviating so far off topic - ever. Literally the last 3 pages have had maybe 5% to do with the specific catamaran capsize and instead is now arguing what head sails are called. Now that we all should find hilarious. For those in the US, have a nice Thanksgiving.[/QUOTE]
Yes the deer statistics was an interesting diversion....
No new evidence on the TS5
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 18:44   #182
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 589
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by XL2 View Post

I own a race boat that can be cruised...
And..... I call a large % of production cats "sail assisted" power boats these days. A sailboat in my opinion needs to go to weather... but that's me
Ha , thats funny.

Shouldn't that read .....

I own a race boat that I recently capsized and I had to be rescued.



First and foremost a sailboat needs to stay buttered side up.
__________________
Now, where's my stalker?
Seaslug Caravan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 18:44   #183
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by XL2 View Post
It's also funny to read you "super racer" cat sailors bash the rest of us. Just so you know, we don't care - not at all. No way would I give up all the nice things that makes cruising comfortable for my wife, family, friends, and myself for the sparsity it takes to achieve whatever level of performance your bragging about.



But in other news, I don't recall a thread deviating so far off topic - ever. Literally the last 3 pages have had maybe 5% to do with the specific catamaran capsize and instead is now arguing what head sails are called. Now that we all should find hilarious. For those in the US, have a nice Thanksgiving.
Wow... i had no idea you took my comments as bashing cruisers... not meant to be
And bragging about performance... is that how it came across...?
Yes the deer statistics was an interesting diversion....
No new evidence on the TS5[/QUOTE]
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 18:56   #184
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seaslug Caravan View Post
Ha , thats funny.

Shouldn't that read .....

I own a race boat that I recently capsized and I had to be rescued.



First and foremost a sailboat needs to stay buttered side up.
Why should it read that...? Yes it true i capsized my race boat and I've never shied away from that to point where I made it and the events public on forums so myself and others could learn from it....
BTW it's a race boat so we were pushing it not unlike a race bike / car that is used on the track... accidents happen in this environment

So what's your point ...?
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 19:05   #185
smj
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: TRT 1200
Posts: 7,268
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by XL2 View Post
Why should it read that...? Yes it true i capsized my race boat and I've never shied away from that to point where I made it and the events public on forums so myself and others could learn from it....

BTW it's a race boat so we were pushing it not unlike a race bike / car that is used on the track... accidents happen in this environment



So what's your point ...?


I look at the aftermath of the accident and the incredible work done to XL2, kudos to you for rebuilding her into an even more incredible machine.
smj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 19:12   #186
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by smj View Post
I look at the aftermath of the accident and the incredible work done to XL2, kudos to you for rebuilding her into an even more incredible machine.
Thanks SMJ... appreciate the comment. I wouldn't wish the rebuild on anyone.
And the reason I'm on this thread.... I'm happy to learn
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 19:54   #187
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Beijing
Posts: 718
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

https://www.precisionsailloft.com/blog/jibs-vs-genoas/

Apparently a lot of people also think cape of good hope is the horn of Africa. Amazing how somethings just get passed on as facts.
Yihang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 19:54   #188
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Penobscot Bay, Maine
Boat: Tayana 47
Posts: 2,123
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by newhaul View Post
If you say so. If its not a jib sail then what is it ?

I am waiting with baited breath.


What did you use to bait your breath with and did anyone complain of a bad smell? Did you lure in an animal with it? Or maybe you meant bated breath?

Actually I don’t care and wouldn’t have brought it up but if we’re going all pedantic mode about what’s a jib and what’s a Genoa Jib or just a Genoa , we might as well go all the way. But in both cases, in the context of this discussion I think we all knew just what you meant so you communicated effectively and that is the goal on sites like this. In addition to those two affronts to sailing and the English language, some of us have even been known to use less than perfect punctuation on this site oh the horror! And then there’s the automatic spell check that sometimes substitutes an entirely different word than the one you intended, and occasionally a very inappropriate word. Just trying to illustrate all the ways that humans or machines trying to force others to use perfect terminology or perfect English can detract and distract from rather than clarify the subject of a discussion.
jtsailjt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 20:01   #189
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Beijing
Posts: 718
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

https://asa.com/news/2019/03/14/unde...ats-the-sails/

ASA also says a headsail overlapping the foot of a mast is a genoa.

When you are wrong you are wrong mate.
Yihang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 20:12   #190
Senior Cruiser
 
newhaul's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182, 1963 columbia 29 defender. hull # 60
Posts: 12,120
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yihang View Post
https://asa.com/news/2019/03/14/unde...ats-the-sails/

ASA also says a headsail overlapping the foot of a mast is a genoa.

When you are wrong you are wrong mate.
But it is still a jib sail regardless of the j measurement or the + % overlap.
Just foreshortend calling it a genoa or a jenny both are used but they both refer to a jib sail .
__________________
Non illigitamus carborundum
newhaul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 20:16   #191
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Beijing
Posts: 718
15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Both are headsails. The asa and precision sails says if it overlaps the mast it becomes a genoa.

Seems most people are onboard with that.

Having said that if I’m talking to you in real life i probably wouldn’t try to correct you. Hahaha

A few more sources that say a jib is non overlapping.

https://www.uksailmakers.com/racing-...g-jib-or-genoa

https://www.northsails.com/sailing/e...nd-sails-guide
Yihang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 21:03   #192
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by newhaul View Post
But it is still a jib sail regardless of the j measurement or the + % overlap.
Just foreshortend calling it a genoa or a jenny both are used but they both refer to a jib sail .
Hahaha Nope
But as George Costanza would say "If you believe it, it is true"
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 21:24   #193
Registered User
 
wingssail's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: On Vessel WINGS, wherever there's an ocean, currently in Mexico
Boat: Serendipity 43
Posts: 5,508
Send a message via AIM to wingssail Send a message via Skype™ to wingssail
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumbs Up View Post
Geneoa/Jib is like the difference between a rectangle and a square. A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not (necessarily) a square.
In working practice we usually hear of all headsails attached to the forestay as being jibs, as in "Let's put up a jib". Some jibs are overlapping, others are not. Overlapping jibs are called genoas. There are other types of jibs, such as storm jibs, jib tops, drifters, etc. The code numbers refer to sizes, 0 or 1 being the biggest. I know of boats which carry no overlapping sails, they still have a #1.

Sails flown ahead of the mast which are not attached to the forestay, but to an inner stay, are called "staysails", not jibs (or genoas).

Sails not attached to any stay are called flying sails, such as spinnakers, genakers, code zeros, screechers, etc.

The appellations vary based on marketing and whatever usage is common among sailors in a type of boat or locale.

On most race boats if the wind gets too light and too far forward to carry a spinnaker the skipper may say, “Let’s put up the jib.” If the foredeck fetches a #3 non-overlapping jib instead of a genoa, he may get relegated soon thereafter to running backstays. If he argues, "But you said jib, not genoa!", he may be off the boat.
__________________
These lines upon my face tell you the story of who I am but these stories don't mean anything
when you've got no one to tell them to Fred Roswold Wings https://wingssail.blogspot.com/
wingssail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 21:50   #194
XL2
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Cronulla
Boat: Crowther Super Shockwave
Posts: 17
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

wingssail ... what racing scene are we talking... because where I have raced, and i get told to put up a Jib I'll ask which one, No 3 or 4 usually. And if f#cking that up gets me relegated to runners then I'd f#ck up a lot because being at the back with the brains trust on runners is way better than being on the bow..
When I ask for a headsail, I'll tell them what number, not "jib" or "genoa"
So, I'll just have to agree to disagree .....
I'm not so sure this place is for me....
XL2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-11-2020, 21:57   #195
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Beijing
Posts: 718
Re: 15M Catamaran Capsize off Portugal

Referring to everything as jibs just makes it more confusing. Another reference.

https://www.mysailing.com.au/news/se...ail-for-racing

I think in the end if people around you like to refer to genoas as an overlapping jib then i guess you just go along with it.
Yihang is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
capsize, catamaran, Portugal, size

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Merc Mariner 15M tiller cable mess... Canibul Auxiliary Equipment & Dinghy 4 15-06-2014 15:31
Want To Buy: Aluminum Sailboat (12-15m) Lantau Classifieds Archive 7 27-11-2012 02:37
Want To Buy: Zf 15m transmission Fletchasurf Classifieds Archive 3 30-10-2012 04:00
Crew Wanted: 15m Cat to Whitsundays johns501 Crew Archives 16 26-07-2012 05:30
15m Nav Light Requirements anjou Navigation 16 22-09-2010 05:28

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:33.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.