Yet another tragic loss?

[Huskybeer]

What I meant to say is that once they decided to go then go for it totally do not turn back. Which is imho with the experience they apparently had the safe option. I felt safer out than in a Harbor or close to shore with a storm brewing

[njwilliams449]

Perhaps there were maintenance problems or previous damage as with Cheeki Rafiki. If not, I'm glad I don't own a Bavaria.


C.[/QUOTE]

The Cheeky Raffiki was a Beneteau.

[patprice]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

When you run your car in to a wall and the front fender gets torn off, do you call it a "fender failure"?

So glad that most of the commentators above are not to be included in the Board of Enquiry.

[moseriw]

smart solution: long keel ... won't fall off as it havn't have a chance to fall off.

[mawtty]

Ditto CarlF.
Where I sail (the Great Barrier Reef) I won't venture in a yacht that is not built to withstand serious bottom bashing. Even cracks in the keel mounting are unacceptable for me. I want a boat that will hit a coral reef at full speed and not compromise the keel integrity.
Tulku Tim.

[barnakiel]

Originally Posted by CarlF

I disagree. The title doesn't say the keel failure caused the accident. There was a Bavaria keel failure. It was tragic in that people died. The title is accurate.

While the keel failure may or may not have caused the initial problem, the subsequent loss of the keel may have made things worse and contributed to the deaths. I expect this will be a topic for investigators and perhaps a court.

Losing a keel is among the most catastrophic failures that can happen to a boat because the crew has no time to react before the boat turns over. The crew of the Cheeki Rafiki had no time to launch their life raft. Boat manufactures have a responsibility to engineer keel attachments so they are among the last parts of the boat to fail.

I will disagree.

"Yet another tragic Bavaria Keel Failure" means, to me, that it was not the first Bavaria keel failure in which people lost lives.

But we do not know if the visible keel failure led to the tragedy or was rather something that happened when the boat hit the shore.

The title also binds Bavaria with keel failures. I do not think there is such a relationship.

And so the title may be misleading. And so it might get edited to avoid the ambiguity.

I am not native, I could be wrong.

Cheers,
b.

[stevenit]

La chiglia si è rotta perché ha sbattuto sugli scogli, non è stata la causa. The keel was lost grounding to the rocks, not the cause.

Engine off during heading to the harbour.

Waves pulled ourboard the crew, no lifejacket on.

We are waiting more detailed info next days.
http://www.ilrestodelcarlino.it/rimi...ogli-1.3050700

[CarlF]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

When you run your car in to a wall and the front fender gets torn off, do you call it a "fender failure"?

If the design of the fender improperly secured it to the frame so that it flies back and decapitates me. Yes.

[sandy stone]

Are you seriously saying that boats should be engineered so that you can bounce one up and down on a rock jetty in a storm and not suffer keel damage? Do you really think that is even possible? Why don't you try it with your boat and let us know how it works out? And yes, I agree, tragic loss of life and possibly avoidable.

[Jim Cate]

And yes, I agree, tragic loss of life and possibly avoidable.

But NOT shown to be due to keel loss.

Jim

[Eder]

Originally Posted by sandy stone

Are you seriously saying that boats should be engineered so that you can bounce one up and down on a rock jetty in a storm and not suffer keel damage? Do you really think that is even possible? .

I'm pretty sure my keel would take that beating...IP 460

[patprice]

Originally Posted by Eder

I'm pretty sure my keel would take that beating...IP 460

Maybe. But I doubt if your yacht's keel would lol

[stevenit]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

But NOT shown to be due to keel loss.

Jim

Correct. I'm following this tragedy very close, I'm Italian and I m reading every day news about.

Some issues aren't clear yet:
Why they leave with this kind of forecast.
Why the sailed so close to the shore considering they had a long sailing course ahead.
Why they decided to head to the harbour.

[RidgeRunner]

Originally Posted by sandy stone

Are you seriously saying that boats should be engineered so that you can bounce one up and down on a rock jetty in a storm and not suffer keel damage? Do you really think that is even possible?

Yup.

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[Tetepare]

Keel failure or not being awash on rocks on a lee shore has a high probability of death. Sans life jackets it increases. We can't prove what would have happened if the keel remained but my guess is that the net result would not have been significantly altered