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Old 19-03-2021, 09:48   #61
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As long as I can control the wheel or the tiller with my feet lounging comfortably, I don't mind either. Not very seamanlike, but important to me.


Ditto. I often use the bum-steering method, or hips, or between the legs (get your minds out of the gutter ) with our tiller. Lots of options with our tiller.
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Ditto. I often use the bum-steering method, or hips, or between the legs (get your minds out of the gutter ) with our tiller. Lots of options with our tiller.
Once I get my boat going it's pretty rare I got my hand on the tiller.... maybe leg, or knee, foot or rear end... I too prefer lounging and enjoying the view
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I'm guilty of steering with my feet a lot of the time, with a wheel or a tiller!
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I'm guilty of steering with my feet a lot of the time, with a wheel or a tiller!
Why would you want to steer with your feet when you could simply switch on the autopilot, enjoy the view, and have a beer all while standing for a better prospective.

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Why would you want to steer with your feet when you could simply switch on the autopilot, enjoy the view, and have a beer all while standing for a better prospective.
My autopilot isn't that great at working with waves. And holding beer never was a problem anyway.
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My autopilot isn't that great at working with waves. And holding beer never was a problem anyway.
Your autopilot won't work with waves?

Really?

You must have the wrong sail setup then.

Autopilot in charge......winds to 29 knots

Listen for autopilot motor at the start of the video bring the boat back on course after a rather big gust.

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My old Autohelm 3000 isn't really good at surfing on waves on reaching courses.
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My old Autohelm 3000 isn't really good at surfing on waves on reaching courses.
Well, I'm not sure how you plan to cruise if you have to steer all the time.

Since I'm not racing anymore, I'm usually always on autopilot unless I need more speed or VMG then I take over.

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Well, I'm not sure how you plan to cruise if you have to steer all the time.
It's good enough if I don't care that much about the speed. But feeling the 11000kg boat to start surf on waves is just exhilarating to me. Childish fun.

On long legs I can get the wind-vane going, but in the Mediterranean where I'm currently located, this usually isn't worth the effort. On most days winds here change here at least thrice and during the cruising season it's a good day if you find decent win from 14:00 and 19:00.
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It's good enough if I don't care that much about the speed. But feeling the 11000kg boat to start surf on waves is just exhilarating to me. Childish fun.

On long legs I can get the wind-vane going, but in the Mediterranean where I'm currently located, this usually isn't worth the effort. On most days winds here change here at least thrice and during the cruising season it's a good day if you find decent win from 14:00 and 19:00.
Your wind vane should easily adjust to that.

Maybe you need to learn to use it better.

I'd love to get a wind vane if I could figure out how to mount it since my outboard takes up so much room on the stern on my boat.
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Your wind vane should easily adjust to that.

Maybe you need to learn to use it better.

I'd love to get a wind vane if I could figure out how to mount it since my outboard takes up so much room on the stern on my boat.
Like the little yacht on the right? It's a Mr Vee windvane from Holland.

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Why would you want to steer with your feet when you could simply switch on the autopilot, enjoy the view, and have a beer all while standing for a better prospective.
I'm starting to figure out that you just basically are looking for a fight, all of the time.

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Well, I'm not sure how you plan to cruise if you have to steer all the time.

Since I'm not racing anymore, I'm usually always on autopilot unless I need more speed or VMG then I take over.

No tiller pilot on my boat yet and my windvane is in the garage. I get by with tying off the tiller and adjusting sails while I make coffee or breakfast... but then I am not going too far these days.
Is this really something worth a squabble?
BTW I think I saw a wind pilot mounted outside of an engine that was hoisted vertically on a track.
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Well, I'm not sure how you plan to cruise if you have to steer all the time.

Since I'm not racing anymore, I'm usually always on autopilot unless I need more speed or VMG then I take over.

That's a good point. When sailing with my boss (on a PSC 34), once we're out of the harbor, it's fairly rare for me to hand steer if I'm at the helm. 99% of the time, it's on autopilot with me only taking over to tack, etc. (and even then, I'll sometimes tack with the autopilot depending on the situation and who's aboard with us). Personally, I like the wheel steering, as it's easy enough to sit on the cockpit coaming and still reach the wheel with a hand or foot. Yeah, the wheel sucks up a good bit of the cockpit on that boat, but it's rarely an issue, and when not sailing, a folding wheel would fix it.



On the other hand, on my own boat (power, not sail), I've yet to spend the money for an autopilot. The boat has been to Florida and back without one (from CT, before my ownership). And I've done 10 and 12 hour days at the helm hand steering. But hand steering a powerboat with hydraulic steering is very different than a sailboat with cable steering. The sailboat takes some work to steer, while, at least in good weather, the powerboat just doesn't. I think a lot of that difference is in the lack of influence from wind changes against the sails, and also the lack of feedback in the hydraulic steering. The sailboat steering is lively, while the powerboat rudders just stay exactly where you put them until you decide to move them again, as they can't back-drive the hydraulics.
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I love my worm drive wheel steering. With the self tacking setup it makes no sense to have a tiller in the way. The ketch cockpit with the mizzen would be crammed.. I sent my steering gear in for re machining and rigged a makeshift tiller for temporary. I hate it. The worm drive gear with the Jeffa sprocket drive autopilot is great and I also have a Cape Horn windvane.It all works well with the wheel
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