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Old 02-10-2020, 05:24   #91
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Re: What’s the smallest boat....

The most likely problem would be a large commercial boat driving over a small boat. Watches are so so and many small ocean boats are unlit.

So you die , not likely that the ESSO MARU would be at risk from hitting you.

The salvation on a small sail boat is big boats put big engine noise in the water.

Enough to give miles of notice if below in your bunk.

Not as good as radar , but enough warning to get up on deck and see whats going on.
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The most likely problem would be a large commercial boat driving over a small boat. Watches are so so and many small ocean boats are unlit.

So you die , not likely that the ESSO MARU would be at risk from hitting you.

The salvation on a small sail boat is big boats put big engine noise in the water.

Enough to give miles of notice if below in your bunk.

Not as good as radar , but enough warning to get up on deck and see whats going on.
AIS B it tells everyone where everyone is and where they are going and how fast.
It also calculates the possibility of a merging track ( collision) and sounds an alarm so you can take appropriate actions at a range of up to 15 miles.
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The salvation on a small sail boat is big boats put big engine noise in the water.

Enough to give miles of notice if below in your bunk.


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Fred,


How sure are you of this?


I mean perfect calm, maybe yes. But normal sailing conditions and sea state?


Our boat is non-sandwich design (single skin grp, and I never hear ships incoming).


It does happen to me to smell a ship, and often smell a trail of a ship long after one passed. But I never hear their props or engines.


Perhaps a steel hull or alloy boat resonate differently.



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Hobie cat 16!

More realistically at 27 foot is a great compromise for solo sailing.

I would prefer to take my wife so 35 would be better for me.

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Hobie isn't a great choice. While I was in Antigua, a fellow decided to sail from Antigua to St Martin in December on a Hobie 16, a long day sail in my Ericson 32, but never made it.


Plus on a hobie there's no shelter from the weather, in case of foul weather.

Some times its nice to be dry for a bit.


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Hobie isn't a great choice. While I was in Antigua, a fellow decided to sail from Antigua to St Martin in December on a Hobie 16, a long day sail in my Ericson 32, but never made it.


Plus on a hobie there's no shelter from the weather, in case of foul weather.

Some times its nice to be dry for a bit.


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Oh I don't agree with that
A Hobie 33 looks like a great choice if you don't like classic lines
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/hobie-33
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I now have a Catalina 36 Mk II after circumnavigation on a Bristol 45.5 which is a much bigger and somewhat different version of the Wauquiez on your list. The Bristol was a delight crossing the Indian Ocean to South Africa with winds over 25 knots for three weeks, and over 40 at times. Don't think I would want to do that trip with the Catalina, as nice a boat as it is. The Catalina would be fine for trips to Bermuda, the Bahamas, and eastern Caribbean. You could make it work across the Pacific to Oz and up the Red Sea. You have to get a real sense of what your objectives are and work from there.

If you find a design you like but the particular boat is not good in some respect (the Wauquiez is a good example) be prepared to look for other examples of the same boat.
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Hey CT,

So I've just had a look at this latest list and, as you say, they're all shoal-draft-with-centreboard options.

I really like AiniA's advice above, because it's telling you to really consider and hone in on what you'll be using the boat for.

East Coast cruising, Bahamas and the Leeward Islands? That Shannon or one of those Tartans and yer golden! (Personally, I still feel they're too big to single-hand, but hey, maybe you'll be able to take a Forum Member along on those big passages...)

To be honest, though, the last time I was on boat with a centreboard was when I was still sailing dinghies - CBs make such a great platform for standing on when you've got to swim around the capsized hull and right the thing. Hahaha

Since you're after a good sailing boat, "centreboarders" don't point as well as a deeper keel and they tend to be more tender as a consequence of having not as much weight in the keel...

But for regularly sailing the Bahamas? That Shannon would be a treat. Gorgeous.
For me, though, not my cuppa.

Go see some real live boats, CT, and take them out for a sea trial,
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AiniA!


Hey CT,

So I've just had a look at this latest list and, as you say, they're all shoal-draft-with-centreboard options.

I really like AiniA's advice above, because it's telling you to really consider and hone in on what you'll be using the boat for.

East Coast cruising, Bahamas and the Leeward Islands? That Shannon or one of those Tartans and yer golden! (Personally, I still feel they're too big to single-hand, but hey, maybe you'll be able to take a Forum Member along on those big passages...)

To be honest, though, the last time I was on boat with a centreboard was when I was still sailing dinghies - CBs make such a great platform for standing on when you've got to swim around the capsized hull and right the thing. Hahaha

Since you're after a good sailing boat, "centreboarders" don't point as well as a deeper keel and they tend to be more tender as a consequence of having not as much weight in the keel...

But for regularly sailing the Bahamas? That Shannon would be a treat. Gorgeous.
For me, though, not my cuppa.

Go see some real live boats, CT, and take them out for a sea trial,
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Thank you for the post. I definitely want the ability to cross oceans. There is one non centerboard Tartan that looks like a contender. I am also trying to find out of Cal’s have as good of a reputation.

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...k-iii-3575811/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/cal-39-3705008/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1988/sabre-36-3230456/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...n-38t-3612574/

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...utter-3591695/
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Re: What’s the smallest boat....

So then stay away from Centreboards.

Cals are definitely "cruising" boats. Here's a Practical Sailor review of the 35 which talks about Cals and Bill Lapworth: https://www.practical-sailor.com/sai...ilboats/cal-35

That Sabre looks lovely. They are designed/built on par with Tartans. Why don't you go have a look at the regular-keeled Tartan and the Sabre 36...? That will help give you some idea.

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Stay away from wooden boats (the Hans Christian) unless you know something about them. The Lord Nelson would definitely be a world cruiser, but won't sail terribly well...
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So then stay away from Centreboards.

Cals are definitely "cruising" boats. Here's a Practical Sailor review of the 35 which talks about Cals and Bill Lapworth: https://www.practical-sailor.com/sai...ilboats/cal-35

That Sabre looks lovely. They are designed/built on par with Tartans. Why don't you go have a look at the regular-keeled Tartan and the Sabre 36...? That will help give you some idea.

LittleWing77

Stay away from wooden boats (the Hans Christian) unless you know something about them. The Lord Nelson would definitely be a world cruiser, but won't sail terribly well...
Thank you, I will take a look at them.
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