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04-08-2022, 08:49
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#136
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2022
Posts: 165
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Re: US quality boats
Ignore those comments. You asked a legit question and I quite enjoyed the conversation and comments.
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Originally Posted by outbound_308
Man that went south. Please feel free to show where I insulted some brand of boat? I actually sail a production boat, a pretty old one actually.
Thank you Go boating now, that was the point.
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04-08-2022, 08:53
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#137
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 30,582
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by Pete7
It's a problem isn't it. Bit like the author of posts 7 and 8. Why does he or she keep banging on about large powerboats on a cruising forum
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We'll seeing as the OP is a member since 2014 and the caller out is 2022 I'll lean towards the older member..
Us wrinklies Gorra stick together..
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04-08-2022, 09:44
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#138
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,933
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
The point is that while there remains well over a dozen high end builders in business in Europe excluding the very high end custom stuff and the mass production companies, there is no equivalent choice in the US excluding companies not in business. This I think is the question the OP was asking. It’s not about the relative merits of one brand against another. It’s about choice.
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My point was, new cruising boats aren't necessarily faster then old boats.
Certainly the USA doesn't have many high quality boat builders today, Europe and Asia fill that market space.
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04-08-2022, 10:11
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#139
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jefferson City MO
Boat: Jeanneau 27
Posts: 189
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Re: US quality boats
thanks
Yeah that's where I'm leaning Joli, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something that the group was had info on.
Jedi has been a great source on Sundeer, great boats and man it would be cool to make passages that fast
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04-08-2022, 10:11
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#140
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jefferson City MO
Boat: Jeanneau 27
Posts: 189
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Re: US quality boats
but that length is a little intimidating.
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04-08-2022, 11:57
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#141
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Fiji Airways/ Lake Ontario
Boat: Legend 37.5, 1968 Alcort Sunfish, Avon 310
Posts: 2,749
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by outbound_308
thanks
Yeah that's where I'm leaning Joli, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something that the group was had info on.
Jedi has been a great source on Sundeer, great boats and man it would be cool to make passages that fast
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On the first point, somebody did mention Shannon. Sturdy, heavy, very nice.
On the second point, ahem, I take that as fishing for an invite. Just go ahead and say it! When can we get a passage on the Sundeer?
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04-08-2022, 12:35
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#142
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always in motion is the future
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in paradise
Boat: Sundeer 64
Posts: 18,858
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by outbound_308
but that length is a little intimidating.
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I sailed many different boats, from small to big, from traditional gaf rigged to common production boats and since 2002 our Sundeer. The Sundeer is by far the easiest boat to sail. It steers like a dream incl. maneuvering with engine in fwd and reverse, sail handling etc.
Much of that is because it is a ketch, i.e. my main mast and sail are like that of a 46’ sloop
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04-08-2022, 12:44
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#143
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Jefferson City MO
Boat: Jeanneau 27
Posts: 189
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Re: US quality boats
Shannon are great boats, I've actually seen a few of them. kind of like the Alden great boat no scoop or drop down for easy boarding but other than that great boats.
Ah someday
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04-08-2022, 14:34
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#144
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,933
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by outbound_308
thanks
Yeah that's where I'm leaning Joli, I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing something that the group was had info on.
Jedi has been a great source on Sundeer, great boats and man it would be cool to make passages that fast
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In general, the longer the boat the faster it's going to be. And more expensive to run but we don't talk about that.....
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04-08-2022, 14:47
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#145
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always in motion is the future
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in paradise
Boat: Sundeer 64
Posts: 18,858
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by Joli
In general, the longer the boat the faster it's going to be. And more expensive to run but we don't talk about that.....
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Marinas and boatyards is where the extra cost is… out at anchor it’s the same as any.
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05-08-2022, 05:11
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#146
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ohio
Posts: 2,933
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by s/v Jedi
Marinas and boatyards is where the extra cost is… out at anchor it’s the same as any.
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Well, a recent quote from North for a 3di main is $46,000 so it's more then just slipping or parking the boat. Bigger boat, higher loads, bigger gear... Unless you're willing to accept deferred maintenance there is a cost to run the boat.
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05-08-2022, 05:35
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#147
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Re: US quality boats
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Originally Posted by Joli
My point was, new cruising boats aren't necessarily faster then old boats.
Certainly the USA doesn't have many high quality boat builders today, Europe and Asia fill that market space.
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I don’t think the raw speed per se is a defining factor for lots of sailors. If it was we’d all be buying pogos , Achaumboults and J-boats
Modern designs primarily tend to encapsulate the latest hydrodynamic fashions and thinking as well as a modern design aesthetic. It would seem most buyers agree with that.
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05-08-2022, 06:29
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#148
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Saint Augustine, FL
Boat: 2004 Hunter, 36'
Posts: 97
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Re: US quality boats
My preference is the Island Packet.
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05-08-2022, 06:34
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#149
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Ontario Canada
Boat: Jeanneau SO 389
Posts: 1,969
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Re: US quality boats
My bad. I’m sorry. Have a great day
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05-08-2022, 07:19
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#150
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always in motion is the future
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: in paradise
Boat: Sundeer 64
Posts: 18,858
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Re: US quality boats
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joli
Well, a recent quote from North for a 3di main is $46,000 so it's more then just slipping or parking the boat. Bigger boat, higher loads, bigger gear... Unless you're willing to accept deferred maintenance there is a cost to run the boat.
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I hear you. But when you want 3d sails you have to race what you can afford! Most Sundeers use Dacron sails, which they get away with because of the fully battened design. We opted for radial cut and Hydranet material which extra cost we expect to regain from longer lifespan. That set of sails we got in 2004 and still holding shape like new. I believe it cost us $20k for jib, main and mizzen; all radial cut, all Hydranet.
But sure, bigger sails cost more. A 46’ sloop has the same main as we but a genoa which is much more expensive than our 95% jib, but we loose that advantage with the mizzen so yes we’ll pay a but more… the question is how many % more compared to that 46’ sloop?
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