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Old 05-08-2022, 07:23   #151
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Passport Yachts Annapolis MD. High quality, semi custom, great company to work with
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:41   #152
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Based on the boats listed in the OP, I would assume he is looking for a quality built cruiser that is more readily available in the US market. Island Packet has been mentioned maybe 3 times in this thread with no responses whatsoever. I don't understand why you other folks are ignoring the IP brand.

I'm in the US and recently bought an IP 440 after looking for over a year. It checked almost all the boxes for me. YMMV.
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:44   #153
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One of the sturdiest and finest is Gozzard. Made in USA in the state of Ontario. Ontario is also my favorite state north of the Mason Dixie. The factory is a short drive from either Buffalo or Michigan.
Hopefully you are a better avigator than geography person. Onterio is NOT in the USa, its canada and its not a State in the US, but a providence in Canada.

Save some money a look for a used Bayfield. Bascially the same boat before the brothers broke up and a fire wiped the company out.
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:53   #154
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:59   #155
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Caliber seems to make a very good boat. It depends on what you expect, traditional I guess, would be Hinckley or Morris, custom probably Direcktor Shipyard.
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Old 05-08-2022, 08:22   #156
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Caliber, Passport, Island packet, all good suggestions and cover a lot of different types of boats.

Good point on the Ketch sail sizes Jedi, note taken thanks.
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Old 05-08-2022, 14:27   #158
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Actually my 2000 Beneteau 461 was build in Marion, SC. Beneteau just stopped building their yachts in Marion, SC. Service is still available there.
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Old 05-08-2022, 18:53   #159
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As you should, Man!
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Old 05-08-2022, 19:58   #160
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Hopefully you are a better avigator than geography person. Onterio is NOT in the USa, its canada and its not a State in the US, but a providence in Canada.
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Get out! You didn’t read this whole thread, did you?
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If moody is now out of that group I apologize I was not aware, I was under the impression that when Hanse took them over, they kept it separate almost like it’s own yard?

I would like to hear your comparison between tartan and amel??
What new Moodys I've seen, they're very much "Hanse" and they're (at least some of the models) building them using hulls from the Hanse family.
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What new Moodys I've seen, they're very much "Hanse" and they're (at least some of the models) building them using hulls from the Hanse family.
You’d expect that. Hanse make good hulls
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I hear you. But when you want 3d sails you have to race what you can afford! Most Sundeers use Dacron sails, which they get away with because of the fully battened design. We opted for radial cut and Hydranet material which extra cost we expect to regain from longer lifespan. That set of sails we got in 2004 and still holding shape like new. I believe it cost us $20k for jib, main and mizzen; all radial cut, all Hydranet.

But sure, bigger sails cost more. A 46’ sloop has the same main as we but a genoa which is much more expensive than our 95% jib, but we loose that advantage with the mizzen so yes we’ll pay a but more… the question is how many % more compared to that 46’ sloop?
We figure 1.5% of new replacement annually for maintenance. Our boat is old but to build a similar boat today would be about $2,000,000 so about $30,000 per year to maintain the boat. Some years it is way less, some years way more. We've installed one new engine, two new generators, bottom paint, topside painted, deck painted, new standing rigging, new sails, new autopilot, new instruments, new running rigging, batteries, pumps, custom carpentry. We try to keep the boat at a fairly high level.

Anyway, a less expensive, smaller boat has a lower new build price and will cost less to maintain.
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We figure 1.5% of new replacement annually for maintenance. Our boat is old but to build a similar boat today would be about $2,000,000 so about $30,000 per year to maintain the boat. Some years it is way less, some years way more. We've installed one new engine, two new generators, bottom paint, topside painted, deck painted, new standing rigging, new sails, new autopilot, new instruments, new running rigging, batteries, pumps, custom carpentry. We try to keep the boat at a fairly high level.

Anyway, a less expensive, smaller boat has a lower new build price and will cost less to maintain.
Yes, if you use a percentage of estimated new build price then obviously a more expensive boat results in higher cost. But that doesn’t mean it works like that in reality. If you have the chance, read the relevant chapters on that in the Cruising Encyclopedia from Steve Dashew. It starts with considering three distinct parts of a cruising design sailboat: the hull, the interior and the rig. On average, each of those takes a third of total cost. This means that hull length only makes up for 1/3rd of the price. For our boat, 40% of the length has no interior. That changes things drastically. Also, our sail plan is so radically different that we get very good performance (racer-cruiser) from a very modest surface area. A new jib for us has the same cost as the genoa for a 40’ sloop.

Another major factor has to do with initial build quality. The price of a new boat can be based on 30 layers of varnish on the salon table or the money can be put into less eye catching parts like layup method, choice of hatches etc. This will lead to very different costs of keep up later on.
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Passport Yachts Annapolis MD. High quality, semi custom, great company to work with
Aren't they built in China?
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