The new Amel 50

[boom23]

To my knowledge, there is no shaft generator option on the 50. I will ask though.

The Watt & Sea hydrogenerator worked well during crossings on my L450. I also had 2 wind generators (Silentwind) which were noisy and required frequent blade balancing. But they provided some amps. The D400 wind generator is less problematic. Overall, solar is best and maintenance free, except for the periodic cleaning.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boom23

Polux,

In case you missed it...

I will trust the Amel company, with their long blue water experience, and Olivier Racoupeau, with his extensive boat design experience, before I listen to someone's opinion on the internet.

You made your point. People in the industry have a different opinion. Face it. Move on. Or better yet, buy a Rassy 44. Please...

After posting all the links to almost all the yachts of the same quality of the Amel 50 where you can see that ALL have a B/D considerably bigger than the Amel 50 it is funny that you insist that " People in the industry have a different opinion"

No they don't and that's why the Amel is the only luxury bluewater boat with a 28.5%B/D.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Eleuthera 2014

Hello Boom23,

Reference post #74...

I am moored next to an Amel SM2K in the Las Perlas Islands on my way to Galapagos. We sailed in from Panama yesterday. My friend's boat has the optional "shaft generator". I arrived at the anchorage and had to run the genset for 30 minutes due to large leccy use on passage. He arrived here with fully topped batteries as the system provides him with lots of Ah when sailing at more than 6 knots.

If it is an available option on the Amel 50, I would consider this seriously rather than faffing around with wind generators.

Opinion only :-)

You mean that it is the Amel propeller that generates the energy as an hydrogenerator? If so it is interesting bit the drag should be big since hydrogererators have much smaller "propellers".

Those systems are widely used on racing transats and racing circumnavigations and they are the way to go if one sails a lot.

As Robert says, when sailing is where more energy is needed, particularly at night and those systems allow for a big output and cover all needs. I thought to buy one but they are expensive even if they have been decreasing in price:
https://www.wattandsea.com/en/produc...ydrogenerators

[boom23]

I’ve had the Watt & Sea hydrogenerator. It is great for racing, when you’re constantly moving.

I can’t justify the cost for cruising where long crossings are few and far apart, unless you’re in a hurry. I’m ok with running the generator few hours at night if there’s wind. If there’s no wind, the main engine is running.

Also, if there’s wind, a good wind generator, like the D400, provides some energy. If there’s sun, solar panels help as long as they’re not shaded.

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Polux

You mean that it is the Amel propeller that generates the energy as an hydrogenerator? If so it is interesting bit the drag should be big since hydrogererators have much smaller "propellers".

Those systems are widely used on racing transats and racing circumnavigations and they are the way to go if one sails a lot.

As Robert says, when sailing is where more energy is needed, particularly at night and those systems allow for a big output and cover all needs. I thought to buy one but they are expensive even if they have been decreasing in price:
https://www.wattandsea.com/en/produc...ydrogenerators

I think the super maramu came out supplied with two props, fixed for power generation and the autoprop?? I know a couple of SM owners and they are using the autoprop as they have added solar etc. There is a noticeable improvement in their sailing ability I'm told.

What robert says is my experience, I find it very hard to keep up with power generation just with solar during long passages, but having a 22 inch prop generating electricity isn't for me and watt and sea"s are very expensive and I've had non favourable first hand reports about them.

Very surprised that the Amel 50 has such a low b/d ratio, it made me look up the super maramus b/d and was also surprised again, it was only 33%,obviously adequate but assumed it would be higher. I like the Amels but despite owners believing they were designed by God there are some things that surprise me, such as cast iron keels not lead.

Still great boats, just not perfect.

[boom23]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Very surprised that the Amel 50 has such a low b/d ratio, it made me look up the super maramus b/d and was also surprised again, it was only 33%,obviously adequate but assumed it would be higher. I like the Amels but despite owners believing they were designed by God there are some things that surprise me, such as cast iron keels not lead.

Still great boats, just not perfect.

The Amel's are around 30% B/D and, apparently, they can cross oceans... The cast iron keel is there for cost reduction. It has been proven that it works. A *perfect* boat is, usually, an expensive boat. And, what's perfect for you is not for another person. The Amel's are a perfect compromise, in my book. They pay more attention to things that are important to me (and many others apparently).

My previous boat, Lagoon 450, was perfect for me at that stage of my life.

Everything is relative...

[noelex 77]

Originally Posted by boom23

So, in my opinion, the 50 is an amazing boat with the Amel spirit and build quality. I'm tentatively looking at March 2019 delivery. I can't wait...

Congratulations Theo The Amel 50 looks like an amazing boat. You will find the 12 months waiting for delivery will fly by.

You have owned a diverse range of yachts with a similar sized cat and production monohull so your impressions of a modern offering from a specialised builder like Amel will be very interesting. Please keep the forum informed.

Amel have great quality control so I am sure you will be impressed with the finished product.

[boom23]

Originally Posted by noelex 77

Congratulations Theo The Amel 50 looks like an amazing boat. You will find the 12 months waiting for delivery will fly by.

You have owned a diverse range of yachts with a similar sized cat and production monohull so your impressions of a modern offering from a specialised builder like Amel will be very interesting. Please keep the forum informed.

Amel have great quality control so I am sure you will be impressed with the finished product.

Congratulations for your boat also! I have been reading about it. Incredible!

[Van Der Beek]

Originally Posted by daletournier

I like the Amels but despite owners believing they were designed by God there are some things that surprise me, such as cast iron keels not lead.

Still great boats, just not perfect.

No sailboat is perfect but Amel comes pretty close, I can only comment on the older models thou, because those are the ones I have experience with.

@ boom23
Congratulations on your new sailboat, must be great fun to be involved from the start.

[Mariano]

Originally Posted by Polux

You mean that it is the Amel propeller that generates the energy as an hydrogenerator? If so it is interesting bit the drag should be big since hydrogererators have much smaller "propellers".

Those systems are widely used on racing transats and racing circumnavigations and they are the way to go if one sails a lot.

As Robert says, when sailing is where more energy is needed, particularly at night and those systems allow for a big output and cover all needs. I thought to buy one but they are expensive even if they have been decreasing in price:
https://www.wattandsea.com/en/produc...ydrogenerators

I'm not surprised at this critics, but tell me, what do you think of the propane oven on the new Amel.........I know: too dangerous, should be electric, and the bow thruster: too noisy (and a good sailor dosn't need one), the lines too thin, the fenders too small, the sails too big (or small) and the heads waste too much water............

Life is too short to spend it saying the glass is half empy, you will see thing different the day you accept the glass is half full.

Mariano

Fair winds

[Polux]

Originally Posted by daletournier

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What robert says is my experience, I find it very hard to keep up with power generation just with solar during long passages, but having a 22 inch prop generating electricity isn't for me and watt and sea"s are very expensive and I've had non favourable first hand reports about them.

Very surprised that the Amel 50 has such a low b/d ratio, it made me look up the super maramus b/d and was also surprised again, it was only 33%,obviously adequate but assumed it would be higher. I like the Amels but despite owners believing they were designed by God there are some things that surprise me, such as cast iron keels not lead.

Still great boats, just not perfect.

The last Amel before the new ones, the Super Maramu 2000 had a 34.4% B/D and that, even considering less 12cm of draft is a big difference regarding the 28.5% B/D of the Amel 50, the 27.1% of the Amel 55 and the 24.9% of the Amel 64.

Regarding those hydrogenerators from that particular brand they work very well and have been extensively tested on Transats an circumnavigations: I know also people that use them and they are very satisfied with the performance and low maintenance. They can provide about 12.5Amps at as little at 5kt.

The prices have come down and now they have a version that costs 3000 euros that provide over 8 amps at 5kt. Probably not far from the cost of a good wind generator if we include montage. I still hope prices will come down.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boom23

The Amel's are around 30% B/D and, apparently, they can cross oceans... The cast iron keel is there for cost reduction. It has been proven that it works. A *perfect* boat is, usually, an expensive boat. And, what's perfect for you is not for another person. The Amel's are a perfect compromise, in my book. They pay more attention to things that are important to me (and many others apparently).

My previous boat, Lagoon 450, was perfect for me at that stage of my life.

Everything is relative...

I didn't understand that you have bought one. You are right, everything is relative. Enjoy your boat, it has a beautiful interior and sails much better than the old ones in light wind.

[boom23]

Originally Posted by Mariano

I'm not surprised at this critics, but tell me, what do you think of the propane oven on the new Amel.........I know: too dangerous, should be electric, and the bow thruster: too noisy (and a good sailor dosn't need one), the lines too thin, the fenders too small, the sails too big (or small) and the heads waste too much water............

Life is too short to spend it saying the glass is half empy, you will see thing different the day you accept the glass is half full.

Mariano

Fair winds

Mariano,
You are SO RIGHT!!! Thank you for posting...

[boom23]

Originally Posted by Polux

I didn't understand that you have bought one. You are right, everything is relative. Enjoy your boat, it has a beautiful interior and sails much better than the old ones in light wind.

Wow! Thank you Polux!

Yes, I put a deposit on one. I understand that the Amel boats might not meet some of your requirements, but the 50 meets most of mine. What's more important, my wife likes it too.

[boom23]

Originally Posted by Polux

The last Amel before the new ones, the Super Maramu 2000 had a 34.4% B/D and that, even considering less 12cm of draft is a big difference regarding the 28.5% B/D of the Amel 50, the 27.1% of the Amel 55 and the 24.9% of the Amel 64.

The Amel 54 has 15’ 8” beam, 6’ 11” draft, 191 DLR, and 29% ballast ratio.
Many high lattitude aluminum boats have ballast ratio in the low 30's and lifting keels.

I would think they are blue water capable.

I am not starting a debate... I am just pointing out few more things.