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Old 25-03-2023, 09:30   #1
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Should we be worried? (Post-Survey advice)

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We are looking to buy a 2003 Beneteau 361, that is currently docked in Spain, and plan to sail her home to the Netherlands this May.

We just got back our survey and nearly everything is in good or serviceable condition, nothing unexpected in a 2003 boat that hasn't had a refit. There are two points, however, that are concerning and I hoped to get some advice on.

One is some minor delamination around the shaft going into the skeg. It is allowing in some water. The other is corrosion around one of the aft keel bolts.

We don't have any experience with these issues, and hope you can tell us whether these are major concerns, should we have them repaired before leaving for the Netherlands, and/or how much to ask the seller to come down in price.

Thanks so much in advance and hope to return the favor some day!
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Old 25-03-2023, 09:51   #2
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Re: Should we be worried? (Post-Survey advice)

Should you be worried? no, if that is the only points the survey has come up with that's good news. Some yachts will have a lot more work required.

Should you have them repaired in the Netherlands? yes because I think you will have a proper repair done by a Dutch yard, rather than somewhere else later, when they know you are going to move the yacht to another country.

I would take the survey to a couple of Dutch yards and ask for an estimation of the costs to laminate the stern tube an? perhaps E1000 and see what happens. Ideally you pay for the repairs rather than the vendor doing the job on the cheap.
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Re: Should we be worried? (Post-Survey advice)

The keel bolt should be an easy fix. I believe that boat has an iron keel and the the bolts are just regular hex bolts. You should be able to just unscrew them to inspect and replace if needed. It can even be done in the water one at a time. If water comes in through the holes you'll know you have more of a problem, the bedding has failed. There is a slight chance the bolt is compromised so badly that it breaks off instead of unscrewing but that's rare. It did happen to me though, but that bolt had been leaking for years and was very rusty. Yours doesn't look nearly that bad. You can get the torque values from the factory and retorque all the bolts while you're at it.
The shaft problem looks a bit more serious, needs a pro repair I think.
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Re: Should we be worried? (Post-Survey advice)

The question I would have about the stern tube delamination and apparent crack is why is it happening? Is the shaft out of alignment or is the prop unbalanced? Out of the water it would not be easy to tell.
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Re: Should we be worried? (Post-Survey advice)

I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$, but why would you rely on someone's opinion on this forum who has never seen the boat, rather than the opinion of your surveyor who actually inspected it?



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I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$, but why would you rely on someone's opinion on this forum who has never seen the boat, rather than the opinion of your surveyor who actually inspected it?



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Because the survey says 'recommend' repair. That doesn't tell me anything about how much such a thing would cost or how much I should push the current owner to come down in cost. So I am using the hive mind for more info!

We have a call with the surveyor planned too, don't worry, but I prefer to get some more info so I come prepared to be able to make an informed decision.
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Because the survey says 'recommend' repair. That doesn't tell me anything about how much such a thing would cost or how much I should push the current owner to come down in cost. So I am using the hive mind for more info!
So you ask your surveyor to clarify those things. And/or you get a second opinion from some qualified, well-regarded repair experts.

When you go back to the seller and try to negotiate the price down, what will carry more weight?:

1. "My surveyor and such-and-such boatyard says this is a major problem; it must be fixed; and it will cost "x" $$ to do so"

or

2. "Some anonymous people on the internet posted that this is a major problem; it must be fixed; and it will cost "x" $$ to do so"



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So you ask your surveyor to clarify those things. And/or you get a second opinion from some qualified, well-regarded repair experts.

When you go back to the seller and try to negotiate the price down, what will carry more weight?:

1. "My surveyor and such-and-such boatyard says this is a major problem; it must be fixed; and it will cost "x" $$ to do so"

or

2. "Some anonymous people on the internet posted that this is a major problem; it must be fixed; and it will cost "x" $$ to do so"



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Thanks for the feedback!
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Should you be worried? no, if that is the only points the survey has come up with that's good news. Some yachts will have a lot more work required.

Should you have them repaired in the Netherlands? yes because I think you will have a proper repair done by a Dutch yard, rather than somewhere else later, when they know you are going to move the yacht to another country.

I would take the survey to a couple of Dutch yards and ask for an estimation of the costs to laminate the stern tube an? perhaps E1000 and see what happens. Ideally you pay for the repairs rather than the vendor doing the job on the cheap.
Thanks, this is helpful info. This was the way we were thinking as well, we would prefer the repair to be done locally so we can go back to them if there are issues.
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Does this Bene have this shaft cooling fitting?
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Iím more interested in what looks like red grease on the stern bearing, (the rubber bearing ,so hopefully itís a grease that wonít react badly)did the surveyor mention this.
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Iím more interested in what looks like red grease on the stern bearing, (the rubber bearing ,so hopefully itís a grease that wonít react badly)did the surveyor mention this.


I donít think itís grease (there shouldnít be grease on the shaft or cutless in any event.) It looks more like a line wrap that got sucked into the cutless.
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I donít think itís grease (there shouldnít be grease on the shaft or cutless in any event.) It looks more like a line wrap that got sucked into the cutless.
This, regarding the red stuff.
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