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Old 26-06-2021, 01:31   #76
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

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Sounds good to me.
Ditto..

I used to love Bermuda rig. Fixed leading edge like fixed winged aircraft hence need to force into wind to obtain stabilisation of lift but more like an American F14 Tomcat. When wind heavy, raising the gooseneck and lifting head to highest mast point would benefit point because we could rake the flock into the mast to create a point of leading edge. Hence spear tip entry rather than a long blade simultaneously pushed into wind.
Hence.. I'd take swept back heavier set stayed shrouds over a highly tunable rig that'd get a longkeeler plane sailing.
So what.. we lose not much point but she'd be a nice easy rider.

Comparing race engines to mothers shopping car really. Rather a shopping car per maintenance.
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Old 27-06-2021, 08:59   #77
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

I propose that the responders on CF have more good advice and at a better price than any buyer's broker or seller's broker.

Add to your list interior hand-holds that fall between shoulder and waist height.

I did a quick yachtworld search with your parameters. 70+ choices in North America. How about this little number up in Maine?
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/197...an-40-3696150/
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/swan-40-ss

You'd be hard pressed to argue it is not a sea-going design and build.
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Old 27-06-2021, 09:06   #78
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

or... closer to home:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/198...s-t37-3831404/

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/graves-37

ok, done for today.
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Old 28-06-2021, 22:36   #79
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

Indeed I would agree that boats with both deck and keel stepped masts should be considered. I have a ketch which has both.
I am no rigger by profession, but from my understanding the shrouds should be what holds the mast up (and is tuned to have it in the right place) for most boats (excluding unstayed / freestanding mast rigs - like many with a wishbone boom).
Where the mast is stepped has more to do with where the forces come down. The keel is a good strong place and does not require the superstructure to support the mast. On the other hand with a deck stepped mast one can perhaps prevent leakage a bit more easily and have a less bulky item or sometimes nothing taking up living or other space (more flexible for different layouts and esthetic design).

In other words, unless you are designing a boat, I would just get what you like as a total package (and not worry about where the mast is stepped).

Also, regarding blue water cruiser and self righting, I think the biggest distinction is cruiser vs racer. A racer will (in general) have less beam and have a relatively overpowered sail plan to get more speed (especially with little wind) over stability. Note it is a focus on where to compromise - racers are still designed to be stable, just in comparison one has to watch the numbers more closely and consider to reef earlier (whereas with a cruiser you may be able to get away with more in general).
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Old 30-06-2021, 09:47   #80
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

Some good sites for researching different models:
https://www.boat-specs.com/
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat
https://nsc.ca/web2/library/tools/ke...cs-calculator/
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https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/yach...atistics-30154
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Old 30-06-2021, 12:25   #81
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Re: Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser

Deck stepped mast better than keel stepped. Nope, just different. Brian Toss gave a good explanation in his rigging book on two vs three point fixity.
Our Mainmast, Keel... Mizzenmast, deck.
Now should an ice bear climb the mizzenmast...over it goes...no mast, no sail.
Letís say two ice bears climb the main. Probably Iíll have a stump left at the lower spreaders. See...I plan for survivability at sea. LOL
Sea kindly motion requires length, beam and weight. Not impressed by lightly constructed ...go fast ďmodernĒ designs. Marshmallows float but I donít build boats from them.
Happy trails to you.
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