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Old 14-04-2021, 14:25   #46
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Re: Shipping a 32' sailboat from Antwerp, Belgium to Chicago, USA

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What about the one in Virginia or Connecticut?
They're both beautiful, but those listing are ~ 10 years old. They're long gone, I'm afraid.
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https://www.devalk.nl/en/yachtbroker.../VINDO-32.html
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Yeah, that's The One.
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Re: Shipping a 32' sailboat from Antwerp, Belgium to Chicago, USA

The only Vindo 32 that I see listed is Pukapuka for $47K USD. Is that the one?

Are you really prepared to buy a 43 year old boat sight unseen?

What is your boat ownership experience?
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Old 14-04-2021, 15:05   #50
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The only Vindo 32 that I see listed is Pukapuka for $47K USD. Is that the one?

Are you really prepared to buy a 43 year old boat sight unseen?

What is your boat ownership experience?
That's the one.

No, I am not.

It's...limited. This would be the first boat that I, myself, have owned.
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Old 14-04-2021, 16:26   #51
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Re: Shipping a 32' sailboat from Antwerp, Belgium to Chicago, USA

Transporting boat is season dependent. August is the most expensive time. The Boat transport companies stop at Hurricane season from the Med. I am purchasing a 65 foot Ketch which was very small compared to the Yachts that are aboard these float on vessels. I have found it is much cheaper for the boat to cover on its bottom as opposed to shipping. They also have regular routes. You can't say deliver it to New York City unless that is where they normally stop. The company that I found to be the best would deliver to FT. Lauderdale.
As a contrast the quote for delivering the boat by ship was $57,000. The cost to have it ferried was $8800 for the captain and $6000 for crew plus provisions and a plane ticket home.
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Old 14-04-2021, 16:30   #52
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Please though, remember it’s an adventure no matter what you do.

And I too struggle sometimes to get the trash and recycling out.
That’s why I had the spreadsheet
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That's the one.

No, I am not.

It's...limited. This would be the first boat that I, myself, have owned.
I hate to burst your bubble. You have already said that you are not the type to do even the basic things like replacing teak plugs. A 43 year old wood deck will need a lot of TLC. Pictures alone cannot accurately show a boats condition. Buying a boat unseen is not something I would recommend.

I have been sailing for 50 years, owned four boats and would never buy one blind.

It is great to dream but you don't even know if you would like boat ownership.

If you are in Chicago, my old home town by the way, there are hundreds of classic plastic boats going for a song. Get yourself a small sailboat, maybe with an outboard to simplify it and just go sailing. Go to a boat yard, Crowley's Yacht Yard is about the best in Chicago. Ask to volunteer to sand the bottom of a 32 footer. The owner will think you are crazy but that is a job every not wealthy boat owner does. Hang around and ask what the spring commissioning jobs are and volunteer to help. Cleaning and waxing a 32 foot boat is a full day job and your arms and shoulders will be sore the next day.

Now is the time. Boats are being put in the water for the season right now. And while you are there ask the yard about winter storage rates and labor rates.

It is great to dream. We have all been there. But it is a steep learning curve to become a boat owner. Go into it with your eyes wide open.
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Old 14-04-2021, 16:51   #54
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Re: Shipping a 32' sailboat from Antwerp, Belgium to Chicago, USA

I shipped two O'Day 22's to Russia in a single 45' container.
Doubt a 32' sailboat will come any other way than as a deck load, not in a container.

What kind of boat are you looking at?

My container went by truck from Northern MI by truck to Detroit, then by rail to the East Coast, then by ship to St. Petersburg, Russia, then by truck to Moscow.

I believe the cost to the buyer was $5,000 to 6,000.
There are agents who specialize in this. Worth talking with them. They have all the details about shipping with the mast up or down, the inventory list you will need to have, amd any items that you will not be allowed to ship.

I learned a lot in this process. I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
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Old 14-04-2021, 18:37   #55
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You have already said that you are not the type to do even the basic things like replacing teak plugs. A 43 year old wood deck will need a lot of TLC. Pictures alone cannot accurately show a boats condition.

If you are in Chicago, my old home town by the way, there are hundreds of classic plastic boats going for a song. Get yourself a small sailboat, maybe with an outboard to simplify it and just go sailing. Go to a boat yard, Crowley's Yacht Yard is about the best in Chicago. Ask to volunteer to sand the bottom of a 32 footer. The owner will think you are crazy but that is a job every not wealthy boat owner does. Hang around and ask what the spring commissioning jobs are and volunteer to help. Cleaning and waxing a 32 foot boat is a full day job and your arms and shoulders will be sore the next day.

It is great to dream. We have all been there. But it is a steep learning curve to become a boat owner. Go into it with your eyes wide open.
I would like to replace teak bungs. I like repairing stuff, I enjoy maintaining my things. I take fanatical care of my other 'vehicles'. I tend to keep things for a really long time. I recognize that boat ownership is labor intensive. I just don't know how to do things like replace teak bungs, I've never done it before. I would like to learn, but maybe not on a boat that I spent $60,000k on, all in, getting it over here.

Your advice about volunteering in the boat yard is good, too. Bitter, but good. Your advice about buying a simple, small boat with an outboard is even better. I totally understand why both of those things would be prescient for someone buying their first boat.
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Old 14-04-2021, 23:42   #56
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Many good points have been made. I just wanted to add one more point about this particular boat, according to the broker, it underwent a complete no-expenses-spared refit in the last 24 months, to include all new teak decking (no screws or bungs), new engine, new electrical and new plumbing.

So while yes, the boat is over 40 years old, many of the major systems are new and should be be good for a while. I just wanted to make that point, it's not as if I found the boat on an Antwerp Craigslist page and I was just going to buy it sight-unseen from a private owner.

Of course I would have had it surveyed and inspected by an independent third party before flying over.

I do see now thanks to the discussion here that I was perhaps being a bit naive, believing that I could simply have the boat shipped over for a reasonable sum.

It's okay, I'll continue to look for something that checks my boxes and is a bit closer to home. I have time.

Thanks all!
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If you are on the Great Lakes, you are already in classic plastic heaven.

Many of the boats around you are stored indoors half the year, and have never seen salt water.

Much more likely to be in good condition than one halfway around the world.

The used market is a bit tight at the moment, but if you just take your time the perfect boat will adopt you, it’s not like buying a consumer item, you have to allow time.
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As you are finding out, costs will run ya quite a bit. I would buy something much closer...
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If you are on the Great Lakes, you are already in classic plastic heaven.

Many of the boats around you are stored indoors half the year, and have never seen salt water.

Much more likely to be in good condition than one halfway around the world.

The used market is a bit tight at the moment, but if you just take your time the perfect boat will adopt you, it’s not like buying a consumer item, you have to allow time.
All good points.

I have plans to look at a clean Cal 25-2 this week. Feels like a much more appropriate entry point into ownership.
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Re: Shipping a 32' sailboat from Antwerp, Belgium to Chicago, USA

Some of the European boats are real treasures. Stored inside and worked on in the winter so they are like new. I was really impressed how well the Dutch keep their boats, with special storage yards everywhere.

Probably your best option is to ship the boat via Roll on - Roll off service similar to a big car ferry. You will need the yard to build a simple cradle because your boat is put on a low flatbed and strapped down to the deck once in place. DeValk will know of a broker or two that can guide you. This is something that you can't just go to the carrier, they aren't equipped to work with you. Lots of specialized services required like trucking to and from the ports, paperwork and insurance.

I looked at shipping a boat back from the Netherlands to the US West Coast. I was quoted $15,000 to Vancouver BC. With all the extra services it would be more like $25,0000 so I kept the boat there and bought a boat on the West Coast.

My suggestion ..... rather obvious, why not use the boat there? If the boat has VAT paid status, it is allowed to be there indefinitely. You will only be able to stay limited amounts but you can find yards easily that will take care of your boat. Then you will know the boat and if you like it, ship it home.
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