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22-09-2018, 23:51
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
Quite an endorsement for Kim Holman designs, and what constitutes a "bluewater" boat!
Bluewaterboats.org has yet to include Rustlers or Twisters though.
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23-09-2018, 03:05
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
I had never heard of them before but they are listed on the Mahina Offshore Boat list.
I did know of Holman and Pye though since I almost bought a Wauquiez Gladiateur 33 at one time
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23-09-2018, 05:53
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
I sailed a similar but much earlier and smaller Holman design across the Tasman. I was very impressed with her. A great sea boat. It looks like all these designs are loosely based on the twister with the transom hung rudder. But I guess he modernised the Rustler 36 a fair bit, it looks beamier, with a finer bow, fuller stern and a more cut away forefoot.
I will be interested to hear more about Mark Slats experience in the storm that rolled Gregor and Abhilash. He must have done something very right, though he was in a slightly different area. But it says something about the seaworthness of the design.
This is the same as the one I delivered.
https://www.woodenships.co.uk/sailin...an-sterling-2/
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23-09-2018, 06:28
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
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Originally Posted by Snowpetrel
I sailed a similar but much earlier and smaller Holman design across the Tasman. I was very impressed with her. A great sea boat. It looks like all these designs are loosely based on the twister with the transom hung rudder. But I guess he modernised the Rustler 36 a fair bit, it looks beamier, with a finer bow, fuller stern and a more cut away forefoot.
I will be interested to hear more about Mark Slats experience in the storm that rolled Gregor and Abhilash. He must have done something very right, though he was in a slightly different area. But it says something about the seaworthness of the design.
This is the same as the one I delivered.
https://www.woodenships.co.uk/sailin...an-sterling-2/
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Thanks for that info.
I didn't know Mark Slats was in the same area as the guys that got rolled. (I hope the rescue goes okay)
I just started following the race...….while I was anchored out the other night and had internet reception
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23-09-2018, 10:26
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
Rustler 36 is just a giant Contessa 26. No wonder I admire them! ____Grant.
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26-09-2018, 04:18
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
Now it's Rustler 36's in the first four spots. That's pretty impressive.
I wonder what their PHRF is as compared to the others? The Rustler 36's sail area / disp is 11.43 so it's not about the speed in a normal breeze. It does have a good LWL though as compared to several of the other boats
That may not matter to much though in a RTW Race especially during stormy/rough weather. In the first race back in the 1960's, these guys were starting days apart sometimes
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26-09-2018, 07:52
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
I suspect, since I have never sailed one, given by what I have read owners say about them, that the Twisters and Rustlers defy the physics suggested by that SA/D
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26-09-2018, 08:05
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
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I suspect, since I have never sailed one, given by what I have read owners say about them, that the Twisters and Rustlers defy the physics suggested by that SA/D
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Maybe but as you probably know on long distance races once the boats get separated it's all about the weather and wind you are in
It's almost not a race anymore as far as something like PHRF and boat speed go, it's where you are and what weather you are in
And maybe how well your boat handles the weather, waves, etc
Even just crossing the 20 miles of bay here, if I catch the wind and tide just right and I'm in deep water, I can hit speeds above 7 knots. If it's 6 hours later and I'm in shallow water and the wind has dropped, I'd be lucky to maintain 3 knots
The ocean is a bit different but the weather is a major factor as we have seen here .....that and equipment failures
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26-09-2018, 18:10
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
It's a real shame Gregor and Abhilash are out of the race. Both boats were going consistently faster than Mark Slats and Uku rustlers in the southern ocean, and may well have been in a far worse patch of ocean in the blow than Mark was when they rolled. The lack of diversity is a big shame.
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27-09-2018, 05:05
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
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It's a real shame Gregor and Abhilash are out of the race. Both boats were going consistently faster than Mark Slats and Uku rustlers in the southern ocean, and may well have been in a far worse patch of ocean in the blow than Mark was when they rolled. The lack of diversity is a big shame.
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Those three boats were definitely in one hell of a storm from what little I have heard.
Mark Slats is lucky to have gotten through it even if he was in a lesser part of the storm. I thought I heard where he had like almost no sleep in three days and then when he did try and sleep everything was wet.
This is the thing about sailing/cruising/racing long distances singlehanded that separate it from any other type of sailing. Many times you still have to continue sailing and working no matter how tired or ill you are
Are there more details available yet about the boats in the storm besides the voice recordings?
And speaking of Mark Slats, his heading this am is South, a little West of due South actually. I wonder if he is looking for different weather, is in another storm, equipment problem, or what?
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27-09-2018, 16:45
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
Looks like the boats in 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th place are all headed a bit North for a good breeze. And they are moving well.
The race still has a long way to go so we'll see how this works out.
Many of us have tried going off the line of the leaders to catch up in short races. (100 miles are less, even buoy races)
Sometimes times it works and sometimes it puts you way behind where you were.
This race though is a long one so you should be able to take a chance here and there rather than just sail in the same weather as the leader experienced ahead of you
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27-09-2018, 18:01
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Re: Rustler 36; Golden Globe Race 2018
Ariel and Taeping....... for example....
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