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18-04-2020, 10:41
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 13,485
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by Discovery 15797
You just broke rule number 1. [emoji3]
A 'sailing schedule' is an oxymoron.
As others have stated, the weather and currents will likely affect your daily and overall average miles per day more than anything else. But, hull shape and waterline also have impacts.
For me, I plan for 120 miles per day in a straight line and add a 3-5 day buffer (depending on overall passage length) despite my average of 130-140 miles per day. I do this because a sailboat never travels in a straight line, and somedays I make 160 miles, a few days I might make less than 100 or drift a few in the wrong direction.
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A schdulec is the most dangerous thing on boat!
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18-04-2020, 11:09
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#17
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Australia
Boat: Catalina 470
Posts: 4,578
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by belizesailor
A schdulec is the most dangerous thing on boat!
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I've learnt this the hard way...twice grrrrr.
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18-04-2020, 11:16
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#18
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 96
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by daletournier
I've learnt this the hard way...twice grrrrr.
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I would agree generally, but (from looking at a safe workeable plan) it would seem that, on a long trip, too much delay on a couple of legs can make later legs either very difficult or dangerous. I hope to leave at the earliest safe time to allow loads of hiccups, but I still need to plan to ensure that i am not trapped for months in the wrong place, you know, too far from a bar etc.
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18-04-2020, 11:26
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#19
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,437
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Re: Route planning help
There is no "OR SIMILAR BOAT".
If it IS a Contessa 32 indeed, then you are buying a fast boat, and one that points well, and one that tends to cut thru chop well too. They are wet, but extremely well behaved and sea worthy.
It is not easy to match a C32 performance even after you allow for her very short LWL.
Our boat has same LWL and we average 4.4 knots when she is clean happy and not overloaded.
But a C32 will beat us in most real life offshore scenarios.
On shorter trips, you can get better runs, as you will tend to push more, use the engine when light, etc.etc.etc. Pushed hard, they will run faster than 6 knots.
Well sailed C32s run easily beyond 100 miles in a day - towards a downwind target too - like sailing from Africa to Caribbean, e.g..
There is no or any similar or other. Because C32 is one of the best boats ever in this style, shape and LWL.
Cheers,
b.
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18-04-2020, 11:36
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#20
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 96
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by barnakiel
There is no "OR SIMILAR BOAT".
If it IS a Contessa 32 indeed, then you are buying a fast boat, and one that points well, and one that tends to cut thru chop well too. They are wet, but extremely well behaved and sea worthy.
It is not easy to match a C32 performance even after you allow for her very short LWL.
Our boat has same LWL and we average 4.4 knots when she is clean happy and not overloaded.
But a C32 will beat us in most real life offshore scenarios.
On shorter trips, you can get better runs, as you will tend to push more, use the engine when light, etc.etc.etc. Pushed hard, they will run faster than 6 knots.
Well sailed C32s run easily beyond 100 miles in a day - towards a downwind target too - like sailing from Africa to Caribbean, e.g..
There is no or any similar or other. Because C32 is one of the best boats ever in this style, shape and LWL.
Cheers,
b.
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Hi, yes, my reseach indicates this also but my budget falls a little short. I was persuaded that it is probably worth sacrificing a little comfort in favour of a bit of quickness and am currently looking at a Dufour Arpege 30 foot. I also took into account the suitability for single handing. All in all i think this is the best balance of budget and suitability. Time will tell i guess.
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18-04-2020, 11:40
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#21
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 96
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by MrChris
Hi, yes, my reseach indicates this also but my budget falls a little short. I was persuaded that it is probably worth sacrificing a little comfort in favour of a bit of quickness and am currently looking at a Dufour Arpege 30 foot. I also took into account the suitability for single handing. All in all i think this is the best balance of budget and suitability. Time will tell i guess.
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Also, and why the original question, it would appear that finding maximum favourable wind and current is worth far more in making time than half a knot on the speed of the boat.
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18-04-2020, 13:20
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#22
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Underway in the Med -
Boat: Jeanneau 40 DS SoulMates
Posts: 2,274
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by MrChris
I am also on a schedule and need to cover the route in as good a time as is reasonable, i will have several months on arrival to cruise for fun.
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Sailing to a schedule is the recipe for disaster - we have done it twice in 13 years in the early years and it was a disaster - Never ever a schedule - to much can go wrong
as for miles a day -- we sail a 40' Jeanneau and I do all planning at 5k - yea she can go faster and sometimes a lot faster - but we never want to arrive in the dark and prefer to be in early -- we practice early our early in
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just our thoughts and opinions
chuck and svsoulmates
Somewhere in the Eastern Caribbean
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18-04-2020, 14:32
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 96
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by MrChris
Also, and why the original question, it would appear that finding maximum favourable wind and current is worth far more in making time than half a knot on the speed of the boat.
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Original question was in respect to the travel distance per day that others use in planning. I guess i could just ramble around in the general direction, but aiming to be in each stretch in the most favourable weather would seem more likely to get me there, and the possible speed of each leg is as important to consider as that there will be weather days of zero speed.
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18-04-2020, 14:57
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Bay of Islands New Zealand
Boat: Morgan 44 CC
Posts: 1,136
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Re: Route planning help
Much is said about sailing to a schedule being a disaster and yes, if your schedule looks like and is applied like a rail network or bus schedule it probably would be dangerous.
But to say that a schedule should not exist? I always have a schedule. It may look like this:
- From the last week of May, on the first good weather window, we’re leaving (advise NZ Customs and crew, arrange CAT1 inspection).
- We’ll take approximately 7 days to get to the destination, could be 9 but probably not less than 6 (advise Fiji Customs & immigration, required, crew to advise airline for return home).
- my wife to book her airline ticket to reach the destination in 10 days from our departure so that the boat will most likely already be there when she arrives (advise airline, arrange house-sitter for pets staying home).
- We’ll spend 1st two months in Yasawas, 2nd two months in Lau group and 3rd two months in Kadavu area.
- We’ll be leaving mid-November on the first good weather window to come home (advise NZ Customs, required, sign on crew for return passage).
- My wife to book an airline ticket 1st week in November so that she is gone before the boat leaves (advise airline)
- Anyone wishing to visit will need to plan their trip between these times so as not to be disappointed (advise prospective guests).
Maybe it is quite loose but it is a schedule. Without it, the trip would be chaos.
When the schedule becomes inflexible, risk escalates but doing a trip completely without a schedule? Not on my boat.
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18-04-2020, 15:10
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#25
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 96
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by CassidyNZ
Much is said about sailing to a schedule being a disaster and yes, if your schedule looks like and is applied like a rail network or bus schedule it probably would be dangerous.
But to say that a schedule should not exist? I always have a schedule. It may look like this:
- From the last week of May, on the first good weather window, we’re leaving (advise NZ Customs and crew, arrange CAT1 inspection).
- We’ll take approximately 7 days to get to the destination, could be 9 but probably not less than 6 (advise Fiji Customs & immigration, required, crew to advise airline for return home).
- my wife to book her airline ticket to reach the destination in 10 days from our departure so that the boat will most likely already be there when she arrives (advise airline, arrange house-sitter for pets staying home).
- We’ll spend 1st two months in Yasawas, 2nd two months in Lau group and 3rd two months in Kadavu area.
- We’ll be leaving mid-November on the first good weather window to come home (advise NZ Customs, required, sign on crew for return passage).
- My wife to book an airline ticket 1st week in November so that she is gone before the boat leaves (advise airline)
- Anyone wishing to visit will need to plan their trip between these times so as not to be disappointed (advise prospective guests).
Maybe it is quite loose but it is a schedule. Without it, the trip would be chaos.
When the schedule becomes inflexible, risk escalates but doing a trip completely without a schedule? Not on my boat.
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Thanks, in principle what i am trying to do, so that i have a reasonable chance of arriving in each area as early into the favourable weather window as i can.
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18-04-2020, 16:18
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#26
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cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Probably in an anchorage or a boatyard..
Boat: Ebbtide 33' steel cutter
Posts: 5,030
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Re: Route planning help
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Originally Posted by MrChris
Thanks, in principle what i am trying to do, so that i have a reasonable chance of arriving in each area as early into the favourable weather window as i can.
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Common advice from experienced cruisers is don't have much of a schedule. 'a captain with time has fair winds'
I'd also add that the future when cruising won't be like you imagined it to be. It's much better to treat plans and schedules not too seriously, likely better options and different plans will come up along the way and if you are mentally locked in to plans made months/years before it's likely to be harder to throw them all away in a moment when the real world is different. It's all nice out there
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