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Old 06-12-2020, 21:48   #16
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I own hull #12, 1976 - prop offset is on port. I’ve been in near gale under power and have never experienced the cavitation issue. The prop walk to port is so intense, it’s like doing a standing turn Recently re-powered with Beta 25 and three blade prop.
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Old 06-12-2020, 22:10   #17
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We have lived aboard ours for 5 years now and are members in the Ontario Yachts group, and I worked as a marine mechanic for many years so I've been through our boat extensively. The offset propeller does create interesting characteristics in slow speed maneuvering, so you'll have to learn how to use it to your advantage with a little thinking ahead but it's nothing insurmountable or drastic. Under motor at cruising speed, autopilot is essentiel to track straight if wanting to let go of the wheel as a result of the offset. One thing to note, half of all O32 built had their props offset to starboard, while the post-1980ish and younger boats tend to have an offset to port. The port offset are rumored to be slight more user friendly. But the reason to buy this boat is not for it's motoring ability, it's a really easy and forgiving boat to sail and with a solid construction. C&C designed the boat and it shows in its sailing abilities, if you search in the archives you will find hull#1 came 2nd in her class in the Vic-Maui race in the 1970s along with taking first in her class in Van Isle 360 on the west coast. The only downside I personally experienced is the rudder. It handles fine, but I wish it had a partial skeg as it sits almost as deep as the keel, so if you run over a sand bar (like I have) you will bend the ss hollow stock it has for a rudder post or any impact from a log or sizeable debris. The keel is a bolted on lead shoe, they will get the famous "C&C" smile at front of the keel to hull joint but once again, minor, fairing compound and just check your keel bolt torque and off you go. Glass is approx. 1.5" thick under the waterline. They came standard with yanmar 2QM15 or optional 2QM20. If it still has either motor, do yourself a favor and repower now as parts don't exist on planet earth. They are good motors by all means, but the parts turn into desperate hunts for treasure and with most being raw water cooled...well that's 40 years of salt water running through your whole engine so you can imagine the troubles that can insue. Other than that...balsa cored deck with deck hardware through bolted, so check all the areas around stanchion bases, cleats, etc. Solid rig, keel step mast, standard rigging was wire. I met an owner that sailed from Vancouver to New Zealand and got knocked down in a storm off the coast of California, the rig and sails all in the water...and she popped back up and kept on sailing with no damage. The boat was designed to 1970s coastal cruising standards, overbuilt in most areas compard to modern coastal cruisers, really only lacking a bluewater cockpit (bridgedeck with cockpit well) and maybe a stronger rudder design, but all in all you couldn't ask for a roomier well built all purpose good sailing boat in a 32' package. Their prices have gone up considerably on the west coast as they have a bit of a cult following that is growing, so if you find one at a good price, even if it needs a little work, they are well worth the time and effort to refit.
Hi - where did you get the information about the keel construction? My O32 is a 76, and it appears that it’s glass encapsulated led reinforced with keel bolts. I’ve had it taken down to the barrier coat and haven’t seen any evidence of a joint - appears to be structural glass. Perhaps it was a change at some point?
Also, can you share the reference for the design standards? I have not been able to locate that information.
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I own hull #12, 1976 - prop offset is on port. I’ve been in near gale under power and have never experienced the cavitation issue. The prop walk to port is so intense, it’s like doing a standing turn Recently re-powered with Beta 25 and three blade prop.
If your prop walk is to port you must be talking about in reverse, if your design was the same as mine? My prop rotates counter clockwise in reverse, so prop walk is to port. My shaft comes out to starboard, which should reduce the effect. In either port or starboard orientation, the prop walk should be less than a shaft coming straight out because in that configuration the force vector of the prop walk is 90 degrees to the length of the boat.
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If your prop walk is to port you must be talking about in reverse, if your design was the same as mine? My prop rotates counter clockwise in reverse, so prop walk is to port. My shaft comes out to starboard, which should reduce the effect. In either port or starboard orientation, the prop walk should be less than a shaft coming straight out because in that configuration the force vector of the prop walk is 90 degrees to the length of the boat.
Yeah, I was referring to prop walk in reverse and it is a right hand screw. That’s interesting about the angles bs straight. It’ certainly makes any work on the shaft a lot easier since you don’t have to drop the rudder.
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I stand corrected on the prop offset then. The west coast owners have been putting together a log of all the prop offsets, the data we've got from about 30ish boats seemed to indicate a majority of the pre 1980 boats to be starboard and the post 1980 port offsets, but there were exceptions and we haven't been able to find any builder info as to why they couldn't make up their minds. We know why the port offset boats maneuver better, but as to the lack of consistency on the STB or Port...it is a mystery.
Most current owners of Ontario 32's do not understand a basic fact about their background: they were 'bespoke' boats. For those not familiar with the term, it is an old English expression indicating a product which is made to exactly fit the needs and preferences of its buyer (ie. customized, if not fully custom-made). A true English gentleman would never wear anything but a 'bespoke' suit.

In the seventies and eighties, if you went to C&C or CS Yachts and said that you wanted to buy one of their 30-footers, they would say something like this:
"Great! We have a slot in the production line next April, it's yours. There's only engine choice is the Atomic IV and the interior fabric is the C&C tartan. Here is a list of a dozen available hull colours and do you want the optional teak floorboards?"

When you went to Dick Kneulman and said that you wanted to buy an Ontario 32, he would sit down and ask exactly what your preferences were. Standard engine, or a different model? Propeller on which side? What colour of gelcoat for the hull? The deck? Did you want the interior completely finished or only partially finished? Did you want a teak interior or some other wood? He would build the boat to suit your needs and desires. Remember, over a ten year period he only built 158 of them. C&C, in a ten-year period, built 800 30 Mk 1's and a similar number of 27's, while also building numerous other models of boats.

The preference of many Canadian builders in those days was for offset props, which allow for removal of the prop shaft without having to drop the rudder first. It could also allow for the shaft to be more horizontal in its orientation, which maximizes the effectiveness of the thrust without wasting effort in 'lifting' the stern and pushing the bow down. My Ontario 32 was built in 1975 with the propeller offset to port and the shaft orientation basically parallel to the waterline. 'Intuition V' was built in 1979 and, judging by available pictures, has her prop shaft DEAD CENTRE, in line with the rudder. She is also the only 32 which I have seen with tiller steering, apparently as desired by the original buyer. So, I wouldn't go looking for some rule or guideline as to specific periods when 32's were built with port or starboard offsets. I also suspect that it was heavily influenced by the choice of engine at the time of building.

Interestingly, the original owner of my boat made a few non-standard choices, including re-routing the drainage of the anchor locker, to avoid having a hole in the bow. He also scoured the world to find the best autopilot available in 1975. The unit he selected was a commercial-grade unit manufactured in England, for both yachts and commercial fishing boats. He had it built right into the boat and integrated into the basic steering setup by Ontario Yachts at the time of construction. Forty-six years later, it still operates perfectly, having had the brushes in its motor replaced a few years ago.
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Old 04-11-2021, 22:18   #21
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Yeah, I was referring to prop walk in reverse and it is a right hand screw. That’s interesting about the angles bs straight. It’ certainly makes any work on the shaft a lot easier since you don’t have to drop the rudder.
I will be looking at SV Trillium on Saturday and am excited about the prospect of buyer her (after a survey/sea trial, of course).
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Hey Andy, welcome to the fold. I trust that a sea trial will turn you into an Ontario Yachts fan. I consider the 32 to be one of the five best designs from the legendary team of Cuthbertson and Cassian (C&C) and it was one of the last boats fully designed just by the two of them, rather than the factory team. Please let me know if you go ahead with the purchase. I am trying to keep an informal record of as many of the 32's as I can track down and who owns them. At some point I would like to set up a website dedicated to the boat and its owner group.
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Thanks Perfect Pirate. I'll let you know how the visit goes.
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Thanks Perfect Pirate. I'll let you know how the visit goes.
Hey Andy, I hope you enjoyed your visit on Trillium - she’s been a pleasure to sail and care for. Thanks for taking a look.
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I did. I have made a full price offer and look forward to taking care of Trillium as you have.
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I did. I have made a full price offer and look forward to taking care of Trillium as you have.
Just countersigned - thank you! I'm look forward to meeting you at the sea trial. I guess we'll have to find a way to transfer my forum user name to you when the time comes

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