Nice cruiser in the 60 to 65ft range

[freetime]

Originally Posted by Joli

Hmmm
A J 65 rates what? -30
A strong boat would be an Oyster or Hinkley?
Lots of room, maybe a cat?

For $200k!

Wow, tell me where to sign up. I want one also.

Oyster is cheap

[camaraderie]

Videorov...adjust budget or adjust boat!

[RobNicolls]

There's a large disconnect here it seems we are all struggling with. If anyone believes they can buy a 60-65 foot boat that both floats AND sails (phew!), and doesn't need to be substantially rebuilt, for $300k - they are off with the pixies somewhere in a parallel universe. A good condition 65 foot sail boat will cost at least $150k a year to run -depending on what model it is, how old etc and so on. Am I missing something?

[Vasco]

Originally Posted by RobNicolls

There's a large disconnect here it seems we are all struggling with. If anyone believes they can buy a 60-65 foot boat that both floats AND sails (phew!), and doesn't need to be substantially rebuilt, for $300k - they are off with the pixies somewhere in a parallel universe. A good condition 65 foot sail boat will cost at least $150k a year to run -depending on what model it is, how old etc and so on. Am I missing something?

As I posted earlier you can get a Macgregor 65 for that money. I don't think a 65 foot sailboat will cost anything near $150K a year to run. 65 is not that big and most of the maintenance can be done by a competent owner, not too much different from a 45.

[Joli]

No, an Oyster is strong but not cheap.

Originally Posted by freetime

Oyster is cheap

[Joli]

We own a 61 foot boat in very good condition and calculate 1/2 to 2% of new replacement for annual maintenance expenses. Insurance is .6% of agreed upon value for the areas we cruise. Dockage and winter storage are dependent upon location, a 60 foot dock can be had for $4000 and outdoor winter storage is $1500. We dock at a yacht club and winter store in a heated building so we spend a bit more.

Originally Posted by RobNicolls

There's a large disconnect here it seems we are all struggling with. If anyone believes they can buy a 60-65 foot boat that both floats AND sails (phew!), and doesn't need to be substantially rebuilt, for $300k - they are off with the pixies somewhere in a parallel universe. A good condition 65 foot sail boat will cost at least $150k a year to run -depending on what model it is, how old etc and so on. Am I missing something?

[freetime]

Saw your homepage and YES Alondra looks veery nice and soo many superpictures.

[Alondra]

Thanks.... ! We are proud to owne her...! (allthough we like to move on after 5 years of cruising her through all the med and now Indian Ocean!)

[Alondra]

Since Hud has removed my 'ad' on Alondra, here my new posting.

Bavaria, compared to Hanse and Marten is comparing a Fiat, Beetle and a Austin Martin.
Bavaria I would not dare to take out on a summersday lake sail, Hanse is nice (I like it to but it is quite new and has no proven track record and Marten is my favorite, but hey, at 2 to 3 milion it may as well be right? And then, I spoke to an owner who was not very satified with both performance and quality.

My advice? Buy a big second hand boat with proven track record and all the goodies. For a good example of what I mean look at ours Alondra Sailing - exclusive charter and you know what I mean. Has been around the world twice, never let us down and is a real live aboard yacht.

An open 60? Forget it. Way to uncomfortable, unreal and not fit for a cruise unless you are very young, crazy and probable like hardcore House on you IPOD all day!

have a good one!

Rene