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03-07-2020, 10:28
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#46
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland Oregon
Boat: Leopard 45
Posts: 325
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
It really depends on how soon you plan on heading out into the "blue water". If time is on your hands and you don't plan on venturing over the horizon for a few years, I'd go with so many of the posts that suggest something in the 30' range and get some sailing experience under your keel. This will give you the needed time and experience to find the perfect boat for you. I have a 34' Hunter here in Portland that I love to putter up and down the Columbia and a 45' Leopard catamaran in the Caribbean that I invite a crew of 8 to join me on for a week at a time. Totally different boats for totally different adventures.
Cheers,
Jim
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03-07-2020, 10:49
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#47
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 54
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
I get a 36 to 42 Catalina or Hunter which are very popular and a newer and less
work that needs repairs or upgrades and want a boat you can sail local and enjoy sailing and not waiting for repairs.
I have a 36 Hunter and sail all around Fl.
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03-07-2020, 11:41
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#48
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: This year, between NFLD and FL
Boat: C&C 40 AC
Posts: 44
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
There are a couple Books “Best Bluewater boats” and or best cruising boats, I was given some advice while looking
1. Use no more than half your budget on the purchase, use No more than 25% to make her ready and the remainder on upgrades as you realize joyous need them.
2. Buy the smallest boat you are really comfortable in, size really maters for upkeep and marinas
3. Buy a good used boat for your trip (10 years of cruising) then buy one more equipped and laid out for retirement
4. The most difficult part of sailing is keeping your boat going, so get to know her by doing as much of the work as you can, and assist the professionals if you need them so you can do that work later.
5. Go now,
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03-07-2020, 13:27
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#49
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Port Canaveral (for now)
Boat: Valiant 42
Posts: 5
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
I just did this in March. The only thing I would offer is to read everything you can on which boats will serve the type of sailing you want, coastal, day, crossings, and then go spend some time on them. I was convinced I wanted a certain manufacturer until I spent a day on one. Realized it just wasn’t for me. I moved down the list doing that until I found one that really worked for me. I’ve been living in it since March, and couldn’t be happier. Everyone has a different list of ‘must haves.’
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03-07-2020, 14:54
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#50
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 147
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Not trying to sell this. Have nothing to gain. Other than offer an interesting option to one transitioning from Motor cruiser to Sailboat.
https://www.popyachts.com/ketch-sail...6657?c=1176319
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03-07-2020, 16:00
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#51
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Battle Ground, WA
Boat: 1976 Albin 7.9 meter sailboat
Posts: 141
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
I'll get some heat for this, I'm sure....but I would not get too into the 'brand name' deal. You can find some GREAT quality boats out there that few people have heard of, and, to be honest, there are some popular brands that should never leave sheltered water and will frustrate you with a complete lack of performance. Some boats are popular because they are CHEAPLY constructed and have CHEAP hardware. I don't equate those qualities with 'good'. I'm sailing a boat now that I really like, but no one in my area is even aware of the manufacturer, likely because it's Swedish. She's old, but VERY well constructed : sails well, is very dry and very safe and forgiving. I was able to buy her for a song, likely because other folks were looking at the 'popular' brands that aren't 1/2 the boat this one is. Now, I may feel some pain at resale time, I suppose, but, in the meantime, I'm very happy with her. LOTS of info out there online and in books, but not all of it is great advice, imho..... I'll refrain from 'naming names', here, but I'd be happy to give you my 2 cents worth in a PRIVATE way....but I don't need the grief of a public discussion!!
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04-07-2020, 19:46
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#52
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: E.Greenwich Rhode Island
Boat: SOLD our M/V HOPE Grand Banks 42 now we're Hopeless
Posts: 84
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Hinkley
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05-07-2020, 00:03
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#53
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Med
Boat: X442
Posts: 697
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
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Originally Posted by Paul J. Nolan
Threads like this one are never ending and all alike. "My wife and I are new to sailing," it starts out and then in the next breath, "Looking for a blue water monohull, used in great condition, 40 to 50 feet, give or take." And then, when you get the good advice you seek from a sailor that has more years under sail than you have hours afloat, as you did from Ann in the first response to your request, you and all others like you 1) argue with that advice and 2) assert that you really do have enough experience to have an opinion of your own, which you do not. I suspect you do not have the experience to even recognize an informed opinion from the mindless bilge rot that litters the internet. You want a fifty footer? Have you ever experienced the forces on a 35,000 lb. boat in a twenty five knot breeze where a piece of gear letting go can kill a man? Do you think your wife will be able to reef the mainsail under those conditions while you wrestle with the helm? Now imagine how well she will do it when it's 0200, the wind is increasing, the waves are huge and beginning to break, solid green water is coming across the foredeck, and you are laid out below with a broken femur? Far fetched? I recall a case where these exact circumstances occurred.
Look, you two want to go sailing? Fine. Accept that to do it properly will take four or five years of preparation. The first thing is to learn how to sail. Yes, to simply sail a small boat up, down, and across the wind in light, moderate and heavy air and then in really heavy air. When you can do that, you and she can look around the harbor satisfied that you know more than 85% of the "sailors" there. The best and fastest way to achieve that level of skill is for you and your wife to each buy a Laser and a copy of "The Sports Illustrated Book of Small Boat Sailing" long out of print, but no doubt available on Amazon. Also both get "Laser Sailing" by Dick Tilman or Ed Adams. Find a Laser fleet, buy the boats, and get afloat. Once you have gotten the basics down start to enter club races (you two should join a yacht club...as two boat owners). This will take at least a couple of seasons. You both will have more fun and learn more than you ever imagined. I have taught many people how to sail, a couple of whom went on to life-long success in the sport and, believe me, this is the best way to do it. I have known only one or two people who became good sailors who did not start in small boats. You probably won't be the third.
And yes, you two must learn in separate boats and the Laser is the best boat in which to learn. If you and your wife sail in the same boat she will inevitably defer to you, even if she's as strong-minded as can be imagined. All she will learn is how to trim the jib; she will never independently develop her own skills and never benefit from the confidence that skill inspires. And you will never know the pleasure of having a confident mate and companion. By sailing her own boat alone she will be forced to bear the Burden of Command, make her own decisions, and take full responsibility for the outcome.
This isn't the first time I've given this advice...but you asked for advice. One fellow I taught to sail became a life-long friend as well as master of his own boat and a member of the Island Goats Sailing Society. In fact I shipped aboard his boat for the Mack one year. A member of his crew was a woman who had sailed with him for six years. It turns out she had one job and one job only--handling the backstays. In six years she had learned not one iota of sailing beyond...the backstays. She told me she wanted to learn more, to get better and asked my advice. I suggested she buy a Laser and campaign it. She wrinkled up her pretty little nose and said, "Gee, I don't think I want to do that!" Now...are you and your wife going to become real sailors or are you gonna wrinkle up your noses?
Paul
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That's exactly the point. On the one hand it might seem daunting to do something quite different than planned, such an investment in time, etc, on the other, this is pure, raw, sailing (in dinghies) which will give you the confidence you really need to take your dream yacht to far away places in a pleasant and controlled way. In a few years. Otherwise the dream may well fade before it even had the chance to turn into reality.
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05-07-2020, 00:15
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#54
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Med
Boat: X442
Posts: 697
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
And I will add to my earlier post vouching for what Paul J. Nolan had to say. When I bought my X and took delivery from the ship yard in Denmark (it was second hand, refurbished, complete service) I expected to have a hassle free experience at least for a while.
How utterly wrong I was. Without having as much touched the flex-o-fold, it fell off just when entering a lock in the south of Holland, put on by the yard a few months earlier. Also, the lower bearing on the steering pedestal seized due to corrosion (water had seeped in over the earlier years it would appear) so the wheel steering was out of action and the engine had an issue sucking in air somewhere so was cutting out intermittently. First season, and I had to get back to north of Amsterdam where the boat was kept.
So we took the inland route and of course engine cuts out on one of the canals with some pleasure cruise ship coming right behind us. With options dwindling I sailed the bloody thing back home like a 420, with the emergency tiller, along the river and canals of Holland. And I felt incredibly stupid for having embarked on such an outrageous project.
I still had to learn A LOT about keeping these things operable and have made some progress over the years, though am always on my guard. Now happily in the Med. But one thing I wouldn't have been able to incorporate in this whole journey was to also have to learn how to sail.
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05-07-2020, 08:13
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#55
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: E.Greenwich Rhode Island
Boat: SOLD our M/V HOPE Grand Banks 42 now we're Hopeless
Posts: 84
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Paul--such true words of wisdom. All the previous comments pale in light of this. It's not the boat its the skill
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05-07-2020, 09:00
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#56
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jan 2019
Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38
Posts: 6,360
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
what's the saying " a battle plan changes after the first shot is fired"....so it is with boating, you can plan, research, think, mull over, join cruising forums, and the like, but until the minute you untie from the dock, and have disconnected the umbilical cord to land, you must learn to walk on your own...or in this case...sail on your own...you will likely trip and fall along the way, but eventually you'll get it right.
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05-07-2020, 12:50
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#57
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Dana Point, Ca.
Boat: olsen / ericson 34
Posts: 448
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
lots of good info here, but we are not you. You may need more head room, or a larger birth, do you prefer a quarter berth or larger aft cabin.... Do you want a sloop, or cutter rigged, or yawl or ketch design..
How about stowage area, or size of galley, or type of marine head system, electronics,
type of reefing system , single , double or tripple.
What about the size of the cockpit, winch placement, running rigging lines to mast or back to cockpit. '
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Type of stove, ice box / refer.
Include the cruising grounds and passage making necessary.
the list goes on and on.
So, how does a person get experience sailing all different makes of vessels and learn what they and their family like .
The simple way is to join a sailing club with many, many different types and lengths of vessels, and actually learn what feels comfortable to you.
At the same time go thru their professional training, and have lessons on many different vessels and then get checked out and sail those boats that you are interested on weekend or week long passages in all kinds of weather conditions.
Now, you can make informed decision as to what is best for you, and not lay out many bags of cash for what could be a big mistake.
For two people we would suggest a vessel that the two of you can handle easily in all conditions. Probably about the high 30's or low 40's.
The other things that are a factor, is anchoring and be able to anchor single hook, bow and stern and bahamian moor . Also ease of picking up moorings, and also docking and maneuvering in close quarters, under power and also be able to dock undersail.
Also, please note, really investigate any used boat, do your own personal inspection as well as a total survey of the vessel and a sea trial. We have found that most used boats are major problems in themselves and the owners and boat boat brokers are not going to advise you of the problems even if they knew them. Not all, but most.
From the military long ago....THE SEVEN p's.......
PRIOR PROPER PLANNING PREVENTS PISS POOR PERFORMANCE.
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14-07-2020, 20:53
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#58
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 5
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptJPMcGuire
Hinkley
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My situation is in many ways similar to the gentleman who started this thread. I've wanted a Hinckley or Morris forever. Bermuda 40s tend to be priced very reasonably. There are always several excellent examples in the market. Many are kept in climate controlled storage 8 months out of the year. But for me as a beginning sailor in later midlife that is a lot of boat. My other dream boat is the Morris 36 "Justine" or 38 Ocean Series. I hear the wisdom being shared in this thread. Smaller is smarter and probably more fun. And one must be careful to not allow stuff lust to overcome fun. My own sailboat journey begins in ernest a few years away with retirement. Sailing school is being planned into vacations in the meantime. I note that there are many wonderful vintage bluewater worthy smaller boats out there. These appeal to me:
There are two Hinckley Sou'Wester Jr. 30s for sale on Hinckleys brokerage site. One $62k, the other $32k. The less expensive one was built for Henry Hinckley himself. There are also a couple of Morris "Linda" 28s available. Two or three Bristol Channel Cutter 28s can usually be found for sale.
There are many smaller Crealock designs also available.
Thank you all.
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14-07-2020, 21:13
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#59
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Huntington NY
Boat: Tartan 3000
Posts: 357
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Rubey
My situation is in many ways similar to the gentleman who started this thread. I've wanted a Hinckley or Morris forever. Bermuda 40s tend to be priced very reasonably. There are always several excellent examples in the market. Many are kept in climate controlled storage 8 months out of the year. But for me as a beginning sailor in later midlife that is a lot of boat. My other dream boat is the Morris 36 "Justine" or 38 Ocean Series. I hear the wisdom being shared in this thread. Smaller is smarter and probably more fun. And one must be careful to not allow stuff lust to overcome fun. My own sailboat journey begins in ernest a few years away with retirement. Sailing school is being planned into vacations in the meantime. I note that there are many wonderful vintage bluewater worthy smaller boats out there. These appeal to me:
There are two Hinckley Sou'Wester Jr. 30s for sale on Hinckleys brokerage site. One $62k, the other $32k. The less expensive one was built for Henry Hinckley himself. There are also a couple of Morris "Linda" 28s available. Two or three Bristol Channel Cutter 28s can usually be found for sale.
There are many smaller Crealock designs also available.
Thank you all.
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Sailing school? Will they teach you to change oil? Run your rigging? Troubleshoot a tangled halyard? Install solar?
Get a boat 30 ft or less as budget allows. Learning is doing.
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14-07-2020, 21:55
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#60
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 5
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Re: Newbie looking for some advise.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Florida
Sailing school? Will they teach you to change oil? Run your rigging? Troubleshoot a tangled halyard? Install solar?
Get a boat 30 ft or less as budget allows. Learning is doing.
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Good evening sir,
Gotta do Sailing School before they'll let you rent a bareboat. Gotta rent one many times before the WAF (wife acceptance factor) becomes compliant with a purchase of that scale. Besides, it's the only way we'll get on the water prior to buying a boat. Also, I don't know what I don't know. I think it's prudent to learn as much as possible through a professional teacher. Not talking about changing oil so much or installing solar....but keeping lines free and stowed correctly is no doubt included. Adjusting rigging as well. I've no intention to reinvent the wheel.
I'll gather as much knowledge as I can, then continue to ask questions forever.
There is usually a better way to accomplish any given task than the way I would develop from a position of ignorance. My life seems to follow a pattern of pursuits involving endless learning curves. One learns to appreciate the wisdom of long experience. I come from a time when we respected what our elders knew. On the other hand I have little patience for people who have it all figured out. Especially if it comes with attitude.
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