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Old 18-12-2024, 17:39   #1
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New sail 5’ too long in the luff

We ordered a new quantum crosscut sail for our self taking jib. Provided current measurements, sail plan and the sailmaker spent over an hour doing his own measurements on the boat.

We go to rig it and it’s 5’ too long.

Sailmaker says he will just trim it and it will be fine….

I’m skeptical… should I be?
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Old 18-12-2024, 18:45   #2
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

He might be able to get away with it on a narrow jib built for self-tacking by removing a panel at the top or bottom and neatening up the leech. Snipping off the top might be simpler as there would only be the head fitting to re-do, rather than the foot fitting and the clew. Would not be inclined to give him more business unless the resulting sail was really fast and lasted for a long time.
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Old 18-12-2024, 19:32   #3
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

Not really... if it's 5 FEET off. 4 inches, well, OK, but 5 feet is just a huge error.

Yes they can cut off pieces and make it fit the space available, but unless they disassemble the whole sail and recut the individual pieces the shape can not be right.

My sailmaker always sends me the final computer cutting form for approval with the individual cloth pieces all shown and numbered. Did they do that for you? If they did, and that's what you approved, that's what you should get. Period.

Quantum makes a very big deal about how their computer design program is better than everybody else's. That's part of what you paid a premium price for. That's what you should get.

This should not even be a discussion. They should start over. The local rep is not going to want to do that, because it will come out of his pocket if he did the measurements. Don't trust his answer, bump this up to the technical staff in Quantum corporate. Ask them.
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Old 18-12-2024, 19:43   #4
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

Sorry, but you need to clarify...

Did you mean 5 feet or 5 inches?
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Sorry, but you need to clarify...

Did you mean 5 feet or 5 inches?
Five feet. 60 inches or 15 hands .896 Smoots.or .833 fathoms. It’s really big.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

The reason it is often recommended to use a local loft with someone that comes out and measures your boat is because then any mistakes are 100% theirs. If the sailmaker measured your boat wrong, then he should take the sail back to sell at a discount as a mistake, and you should get a new and correct sail. If you are inclined, you could negotiate a discount for a recut, but that is up to you as the shape will not be as good as a new sail.
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Five feet. 60 inches or 15 hands .896 Smoots.or .833 fathoms. It’s really big.
A smoot! Love it. Oliver lives!
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

It will most likely not be fine. It's like deciding your current car is too big and cutting a couple of feet off the end.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

Could it be they mixed up sails?
Maybe the wrong sail went into the bag?


5foot is so big a mistake that it seems unlikely to be a wrong measure (unless someone did not write properly or put the wrong number into their sheet).
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

You should demand a completely new sail or a full refund. The whole point of designing a sail is to achieve the optimum shape. A "new" re-cut sail will never perform as expected.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

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Five feet. 60 inches or 15 hands .896 Smoots.or .833 fathoms. It’s really big.
A smoot is the length of one 18 year old, first year student, at MIT, Oliver R. Smoot [in October of 1958]; which translates to five feet seven inches, exactly.

The smoot was created in 1958, when Lambda Chi Alpha fraternity members at MIT decided to use a pledge, Oliver R. Smoot, Jr., to calculate the length of the Massachusetts Avenue Bridge.
Smoot lay down on the bridge, his fraternity brothers marked his head, and feet, then he moved down one length; and the process was repeated until the entire length of the bridge had been measured.
The fraternity painted markings every ten smoots. The length of the bridge was calculated at 364.4 smoots, plus one ear.
Succeeding pledge classes repainted the markings; and it is a tradition that continues to this day. When the bridge was rehabbed, in the 1980s, the sidewalks were sized in smoot-lengths, or 5'7", instead of the normal 6'.

Smoot retired as chairman of the board of the American National Standards Institute, and President of the International Organization for Standardization.

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The reason it is often recommended to use a local loft with someone that comes out and measures your boat is because then any mistakes are 100% theirs.
but they did do that...granted the assembly occurred overseas most likley

lopping off the top is easiest as you only have to rebuild the head and re cut the leach. but the sail shape will not be right. been there done that on a radial cut. it was a DIY and I'm happy with it, but not if i was paying $$ for it.

will they give you a "test drive period" Hey try the recut for 60 days if you like it, then we'll knock 20% off. If not we'll make you a new one...

You tell them to make you a new sail. maker wants to recut. what's to stop them from recutting and sending you back the sail claiming its a new sail.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

Wow, just WOW! I know who not to buy from now.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

I'd want a sail that was made to fit my boat, or a boat that was made to fit my sail.

I'd give them the option of replacing the sail, or replacing the boat with one that fits the sail properly.
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Re: New sail 5’ too long in the luff

I am with Franziska here, 5 feet difference doesn’t seem like a mistake, most likely they mixed up the sails.
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