Need help- Double Ender Boat ID plz

[RunningCool]

Here is a double ender with a flush deck. Can not id this. Anybody have ideas.

I am a double ender fan with my own Rafiki 37. this is bugging me. Looked all over.

[Seymore]

It looks like a Kendall 32. Kendalls were the originals of the Westsail design. About 8 were produced, and then the design went to the cabin top design of the Westsail 32. Ask on the Westsail Owners' Association forum, here....

https://www.westsail.org/

[boatman61]

A Colin Archer.. no clues in the book about origins.???

[Mike OReilly]

Dunno, but she's a beauty!

[Don C L]

May be a Dreadnought 32. They came as a kit I believe and this one could have been finished with the flush deck, whaleback, by the original owner. Looks nice that way. They were rigged as both ketches and sloops. Based on the Tahiti ketch.
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/dreadnought-32

[Jim Cate]

Kendal 32??? (Predecessor to the Westsail 32) similar hull but flush decked.

Jim

[Sonrisa]

She's an Ingrid 38, scanmar has the same photo posted on their site.

https://www.scanmarinternational.com/ingrid-38

[Jim Cate]

^^^^^

Good catch! I'm not a big double ender fan, but the Ingrids are nice boats, sail pretty well and many are quite handsome (despite the point on the wrong end!).

Jim

[RunningCool]

Thx guys.

[Scrimshaw4]

Just curious, but I thought the Vineyard Vixens predated the Kendalls.

[john_c_a]

Hi! This is Solitude. It was built by my parents in 1977. The hull was manufactured by Sail Pacific Corporation in Port Townsend, and my parents completed the boat in Portland. It's an Ingrid 38. I have a photo album about its construction and have attached a couple photos.

Recently, I've been trying to track down the Solitude via some online research (how I found this post!). If anyone has any hints as to its location, please let me know.

The ship's official number is 582955. It was originally Solitude, but has since been the "Jane Jones" and seems to now be named the "Serenity".

Here are some related links:
https://www.marinetitle.com/referenc...nu&term=582955
https://boatdb.net/boat/serenity-582955.htm

As the "Jane Jones" it was featured in some YouTube videos out of Hawaii:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...2iL80z4IDOFiLL

I haven't yet been able to find anything more recent than 2019 about Solitude's whereabouts.

Thanks!

[Bowdrie]

"Houston, we have a problem".

I have no direct knowledge of the "Sail Pacific Corp." of Port Townsend.
However, in the "Vessel Document Report", the numbers for Breadth/Gross tonnage/Net tonnage, are all quite a bit in excess of an "Ingrid".
A perusal of the plans, (as designed by William Atkin,) for Ingrid, as well as the measured dimensions and weights of both the "Blue Water Boats", and the "Alajuela 38" renditions of Ingrid will show the discrepancies.
We're not talking about small numbers, it's more like a foot of beam and many tons of both actual and "measurement" weights.
That Sail Pacific hull is much closer to a pilot cutter that was designed by Colin Archer in 1906.

[john_c_a]

Interesting! Here are a couple more bits of my research.

First is a photo showing the "Sail Pacific Corporation" building & phone number with the Solitude hull in the foreground. And second is an advertisement in the August 1975 edition of Cruising World magazine for an "Ingrid 38" produced by the same company and and same phone number.

I'm thinking that Sail Pacific was making Ingrid 38 hulls, but that they're different to some degree than those produced by Water boats">Blue Water Boats?

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...yacht+builders

https://bluewaterboats.org/ingrid-38

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[Don C L]

Originally Posted by Bowdrie

"Houston, we have a problem".

I have no direct knowledge of the "Sail Pacific Corp." of Port Townsend.
However, in the "Vessel Document Report", the numbers for Breadth/Gross tonnage/Net tonnage, are all quite a bit in excess of an "Ingrid".
A perusal of the plans, (as designed by William Atkin,) for Ingrid, as well as the measured dimensions and weights of both the "Blue Water Boats", and the "Alajuela 38" renditions of Ingrid will show the discrepancies.
We're not talking about small numbers, it's more like a foot of beam and many tons of both actual and "measurement" weights.
That Sail Pacific hull is much closer to a pilot cutter that was designed by Colin Archer in 1906.

I have no dog in this fight but when I look at sailboat data the dimensions between the Alajuela and the Ingrid 38 don't seem too far off, do they? Maybe the waterline difference could be due to one measurement included the rudder and the other didn't?

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Don C L

I have no dog in this fight but when I look at sailboat data the dimensions between the Alajuela and the Ingrid 38 don't seem too far off, do they? Maybe the waterline difference could be due to one measurement included the rudder and the other didn't?

While the Alajuela and the Bluewater hulls are indeed quite close, (the Alajuela showing ~6" more WLL,) they both show ~2>2.5' more than the Atkin plans.
It's the beam and displacement figures that are quite different from the OP boat.
The OP boat shows ~1' more beam, that's a big difference, but the huge discrepancy is the displacement, (gross tons).
Atkin's Ingrid, 25,000lbs, > 12.5 tons.
Bluewater "Ingrid", 26,000lbs, > 13 tons.
Alajuela "Ingrid", 27,000lbs, > 13.5 tons.
Note, the Alajuela carries ~1,000lbs more ballast than the Bluewater.
From data on the OP boat, displacement is 38,000lbs, > 19 tons.
No matter how you slice it, a foot of beam and 6 tons is quite a shift.
Perhaps someone was playing "fast-and-loose" on the lofting floor and typo errors were made on the CG Document?