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Old 11-04-2017, 11:48   #46
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Re: Mono that's Cat like!

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Of course. But in a way that reinforces my point. If you did own a cat and we're unhappy, in the current market It's generally very easy to sell a cat and buy a mono.
That's a good point, Peter was offered his full purchase price for the Lagoon three years after he bought it brand new, from a couple not wishing to wait to have one built. But he wasn't ready to sell at that time. We also know the couple who made the offer, who eventually found another Lagoon equally well-equipped. The Lagoons seem to hold their value quite well.
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Interestingly, a good friend of ours built himself a boat pretty much as the OP describes. Shallow draught, lifting keel, twin rudders, cockpit saloon and galley all on one level.

He felt it was the mono that could do everything a cat can. One day he came for a sail on our cat.

He now plans to sell his boat and build a cat.
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Old 11-04-2017, 13:30   #48
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In seven years full time cruising, I've never met anyone cruising on a cat who wished they were on a mono.
You've met one now.

We'd need a 65ft plus cat to compare with the comfort level and load carrying capacity of our 60ft trawler.
To get that cat we'd need an extra million plus dollars.

And yes, I have cruised and owned and lived aboard sailing cats.
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You've met one now.

We'd need a 65ft plus cat to compare with the comfort level and load carrying capacity of our 60ft trawler.
To get that cat we'd need an extra million plus dollars.

And yes, I have cruised and owned and lived aboard sailing cats.
Sounds like comparing apples and oranges.
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You've met one now.

We'd need a 65ft plus cat to compare with the comfort level and load carrying capacity of our 60ft trawler.
To get that cat we'd need an extra million plus dollars.

And yes, I have cruised and owned and lived aboard sailing cats.
So you're currently cruising on a sailing cat, wishing it was a sailing mono?

Didn't think so.
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SHALLOW draft !,...like a catamaran


I took The Tour of the interior of this boat.

It was JARRING. Very unusual, appeared spacious until you got into the details. Not so impressive.

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So you're currently cruising on a sailing cat, wishing it was a sailing mono?

Didn't think so.
We had a sailing cruising cat that was not sufficiently comfortable or able to carry the load required for extended cruising at a comfort level that my wife required and I now enjoy.
For the money we sold the cat for we could have bought a considerably larger sailing monohull that would have and had change.

Instead we bought a large ex trawler with considerably more comfort and load carrying ability again.
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We had a sailing cruising cat that was not sufficiently comfortable or able to carry the load required for extended cruising at a comfort level that my wife required and I now enjoy.
For the money we sold the cat for we could have bought a considerably larger sailing monohull that would have and had change.

Instead we bought a large ex trawler with considerably more comfort and load carrying ability again.
I looked over your ex trawler when it was for sale back in 2009 (not many like it around) was moored up in the Brisbane river at the time......
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We had a sailing cruising cat that was not sufficiently comfortable or able to carry the load required for extended cruising at a comfort level that my wife required and I now enjoy.
For the money we sold the cat for we could have bought a considerably larger sailing monohull that would have and had change.

Instead we bought a large ex trawler with considerably more comfort and load carrying ability again.
Not sure what you're trying to argue here.

The OP stated there are "too many unhappy cat sailors".

I haven't met any. As you say, if they were unhappy, it's easy to fix.

I'm not saying a cat is the right boat for everyone.
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Interestingly, a good friend of ours built himself a boat pretty much as the OP describes. Shallow draught, lifting keel, twin rudders, cockpit saloon and galley all on one level.

He felt it was the mono that could do everything a cat can. One day he came for a sail on our cat.

He now plans to sell his boat and build a cat.
Hey c,mon, im taking the credit for his catamaran desire as I lent him two books on catamarans years ago that started this insanity......and anyway he's not that bright he crossed the pacific the wrong way...lol :-)

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Interesting monohull, and I believe you might find a used one at a pretty good price.

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The Seaward 46RK is a wonderful boat, but at least as of October last year only 7 had been produced, and only 6 were actually sailing. So finding one used is really hard. There are none on Yachtworld (there are plenty of Seaward 32 and 26s for sale though).

Because so few have been produced, the price new is hard to say. I have seen them advertised between 450-750K.
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Re: Mono that's Cat like!

Our new Jeanneau 54 has many of the characteristics you refer to. On a beam reach at 10 kts of boat speed in 17 kts of wind, rides with 5 deg heel. Upwind perhaps 10 deg. The boat is 16.2ft wide and the cockpit space is quite expansive.
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Re: Mono that's Cat like!

We sail a Beneteau 57. Like an Amel the wheel in the centre cockpit is offset so we have a huge centre aft deck is large enough for sunbathing, hull is designed by Farr. We have recently looked at cats liking the inside/outside living and lack of roll. However, they all have small bedrooms and beds compared to ours, small galleys, and you need to be careful with weight. No one boat is perfect!

Displacement and length seem to affect comfort, we are circa 28t and 57.

When looking we shortlisted the J 54ds, and Beneteau 523.

Finally, regardless of brand all boats need a good refit when they get a little past 10yrs so maybe factor that in.
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