Modern Production Cruisers at Sea

[tropicalescape]

Originally Posted by savoir

That is the type of fitting that you will see on a racer such as a Beneteau 47.7. It is designed to unbolt easily because you generally cannot race with an anchor on the bow.

If it is permanently mounted and regularly used it will bend over time. You guys want an example of cheap gear on a production boat and I have given you two.

This is where a proper sea going boat should have a heavy stemhead(cost lots of money)IMO..

[CrazyRu]

Originally Posted by tropicalescape

All those miles offshore on a stock version without any mods or refabbing? Hell of a boat if so...

It is 1985 Bene First. Classic Plastic already
Note the ballast/displacement ratio
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2157

[thomm225]

Originally Posted by muskoka

Compelling argument. I'm quite sure he's never sailed a boat out of sight of land. That takes brass balls.

Actually it doesn't. Eighteen year old Tania Aebi sailed around the world on a 26' Contessa with very little experience before she left, and I don't believe she has brass balls or any other type............

Just something to thing about.

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

"one of those bolt on/off thingies ..." How else are those "anchor thingies" to be attached?

You should know (from reading this thread ) it should be some space-age adhesive.

[savoir]

Now THAT would be fun. Go around all the boats of the pro glue brigade, unbolt their bow rollers and re bed with the latest high fallutin' glue.

How could they not love it ? . . . . saves weight in the bow too.

[muskoka]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

I'm surrounded by billionaire's boats here in Mallorca, so I don't need an education from some computer armchair expert smartass on a 30 foot 30 year old boat, living in his mommy's basement about an Oyster not being the top of the heap... but it's the best boat I could afford at this stage of our lives. Of course there's better boats... but I'm not a billionaire!

You have the technical wherewithall to set us all straight on what makes a boat "proper". And yet you can't fix your own pooper.

You can see why your opinion, and that is all it is, comes across as something less than authoritative.

[goboatingnow]

keno mac has an oyster , that in effect nullifies his opinions as he is utterly biased. Next.


Dave

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by savoir

Now THAT would be fun. Go around all the boats of the pro glue brigade, unbolt their bow rollers and re bed with the latest high fallutin' glue.

How could they not love it ? . . . . saves weight in the bow too.

Instead of an Anchor I use glue

[muskoka]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

keno mac has an oyster , that in effect nullifies his opinions as he is utterly biased. Next.


Dave

People should be biased about their boats. They paid good money for them. It's the patronizing tone that screams "I am a massive bell end" which makes it so much fun to poke Thurston Howell III.

[savoir]

Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey

Instead of an Anchor I use glue

As per usual DOJ you remain two plays ahead of the game.

Impressive.

[I.Grind]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

"one of those bolt on/off thingies ..." How else are those "anchor thingies" to be attached?

Glue!

[I.Grind]

Boy did I come late to the party! I should have read all the posts first.....

[Paul Elliott]

Please, can we leave the personal attacks out of this?

Here: I've got an "expensive" boat. I often pay people to do work on the boat that I would rather not do, or don't have the time to do myself, or when I feel that my own skills aren't up to the task.

Is my opinion automatically biased and therefore worthy of ridicule?

I've also been sailing since I was six years old, and have put over 25,000 sea-miles on my current boat. I've been aboard boats where the hull was so flexible that you couldn't keep the standing rigging tensioned. I've had friends sail on boats where you couldn't get the interior doors to open or shut when heeling beyond 20 degrees. I've had friends tell me about turning back for home when the bow sections started oil-canning and interior bulkheads came adrift in heavy weather.

I also have friends who have put 10,000+ miles on their Beneteaus and Hunters. Most of these boats are pretty tough. Some aren't.

I'm one of the people who has been saying that most boats will take you where you want to go, but don't try to tell me that the only difference in boats is the cost of the curtains.

[capngeo]

Guys... the "Be Nice" rule is getting quite ragged in this thread; If you don't want the thread locked, please think before you type!

[S/V Illusion]

Originally Posted by Don L

I have read these threads for years and believe that other than supplying material for the "experts" most others are really responding to justify their choice because they couldn't afford something else. Doesn't really mean there is anything wrong with their choice, for them.

Some people who are too easily swayed by marketing feel compelled to rationalize their mistake by either getting defensive or criticizing others.

I think this proves that some people are just taken in by the marketing and spend a lot more money than is necessary to purchase a quality boat.

Oyster is a perfect example of how marketing driven perception drives the sales much more so than real value.

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