Modern Production Cruisers at Sea

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by Liam Wald

And out goes the reel...
Okay, let's everyone sing along;

Just trolling along,
On moon light Bay...
Got my finger on the button,
I like to feel this way.

Wow, no idea what you smoke, good quality of course....!!!!

[Liam Wald]

Originally Posted by neilpride

Wow, no idea what you smoke, good quality of course....!!!!

Yeah, I guess that was kind of an obscure reference. Sorry you didn't catch it Neil.
I was simply trying to shine a light on the TROLL nature of the statement in a humorous fashion.
But since I got you on the line... do you mind if I ask?
What exactly is your point Neil?
What are you trying to achieve?

[JK n Smitty]

Originally Posted by Don L

I don't know who the hell some of the members here think they are to continue to refer to other people's boat as cheap.

What a bunch of a-holes we have here that they feel the need to continue this crap! It is especially bull where they give an "example" that is false and just proves how small minded they must be to continue this in some misplaced effort to make themselves feel all superior about whatever POC boat they may have.

Do you ever notice that the owners of these "super" boats that are always used as example against "other" boats don't feel the need to tell us how great their boat is compared to others. But for some reason owners of old boats, that are worth less that the production boats they are trashing, for some reason need the boost to their egos?

I am not sure what posts/posters you are referring to in this post.

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by Liam Wald

Yeah, I guess that was kind of an obscure reference. Sorry you didn't catch it Neil.
I was simply trying to shine a light on the TROLL nature of the statement in a humorous fashion.
But since I got you on the line... do you mind if I ask?
What exactly is your point Neil?
What are you trying to achieve?

Just kidding, hey chill, i just give my opinions in this matter, like in other simillar topics, ....

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by JK n Smitty

I am not sure what posts/posters you are referring to in this post.

I guess is referring to me, by using the word cheap, my bad!! is right , i could change it for low cost , could be ok...

[Factor]

Guys

I am loving this thread. You mono chaps are pretty tough on each other. Spose the multi world isnt that much different though, there are multi owners that like apartments and those that like boats that can sail. Anyway - as you were.

[Liam Wald]

Originally Posted by Don L

I don't know who the hell some of the members here think they are to continue to refer to other people's boat as cheap.

What a bunch of a-holes we have here that they feel the need to continue this crap! It is especially bull where they give an "example" that is false and just proves how small minded they must be to continue this in some misplaced effort to make themselves feel all superior about whatever POC boat they may have.

Do you ever notice that the owners of these "super" boats that are always used as example against "other" boats don't feel the need to tell us how great their boat is compared to others. But for some reason owners of old boats, that are worth less that the production boats they are trashing, for some reason need the boost to their egos?

Wow Don,
What a great statement. Rich in fecal/anal metaphor.
In your text you used the words "a**hole", "crap" and "bull".
It would have been perfect if you had ended it by saying...
"Stop farting around!"

[sailorboy1]

[QUOTE=Liam Wald;1292130]Wow Don,
What a great statement. Rich in fecal/anal metaphor.
In your text you used the words "a**hole", "crap" and "bull".
/QUOTE]


That was just in 2 sentences. I wasted the rest of the post so as not to offend the intercourse faces and penis skulls.

I need to get over misplaced restraint.

[neilpride]

Hey Fat man, be careful with the words you use , no one here is ofending you, if you feel ofended by posters making opinions about this topic , leave it and thats it, in other words, calling us a**holes is ofensive and insulting, get a step forward and think about it before open that big mouth, with all the respect Don...

[scotty c-m]

I've been following this conversation for a while, I'll share an opinion. I've sailed "traditional" (Colin Archer types), big cats and production types. Good seamanship and maintenance make them all safe (or as safe as the sea allows). Personal preference allows one to pick the style that best suits the needs and desires of the owners. The concepts of "manifestly unsafe" is used by the Coast Guard and other governments, and we all have seen boats that just look insane. Other than that...... I choose the boats that I'll go to sea on, and the people I go with. I don't laugh at anyone's dream. Lighten up.

[Liam Wald]

[QUOTE=Don L;1292137]

Originally Posted by Liam Wald

Wow Don,
What a great statement. Rich in fecal/anal metaphor.
In your text you used the words "a**hole", "crap" and "bull".
/QUOTE]


That was just in 2 sentences. I wasted the rest of the post so as not to offend the intercourse faces and penis skulls.

I need to get over misplaced restraint.

No worries mate. I love a little holding-tank humor just as much as the next bloke.
Don't hold back. Let her rip... no pun intended!

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by neilpride

, calling us a**holes is ofensive and insulting.

Good that was the point and it wasn't directed to an "us", those that it applies to know who they are. The others are probably not going to cry too much about it.

[neilpride]

Whatever Don, doesnt matter if you are refering to me or the others, just keep it clean....

[settingsun]

In the end, the old versus new and custom built versus production built is like choosing a car to take on a cross-country trip...

1975 Bentley or 2008 Dodge Caravan?

One has 40 extra years of engineering and design and knowledge built into it but is a production unit. The other was more meticulously built.

Side by side, our 2008 Hunter 44DS doesn't compare to a mid-1980's Valiant 42. I studied the differences one day when a gorgeously maintained Valiant 42 was in the slip next to us. The differences made me crack up. There is no comparison.

But did I need any of that ruggedness and over-builtness on our 3.5 year cruise of Mexico? No.

I have seen lots of cruisers putting most of their cruising kitty into their boat once they arrived in Paradise. I've seen older boats getting new holding tanks, new plumbing, new electrical wiring, new spars, new sails, new varnish, new engines, new gelcoat, new chainplates, new heads, and the list goes on and on.

These aren't small or cheap projects or quick projects.

Are those projects what those cruisers dreamed they would be doing in Paradise all those years they were sitting in the office imagining themselves setting sail over the horizon?

If you buy a new or nearly new vanilla production boat, throw on good ground tackle, solar and a watermaker, you are good to go. When things break, all the broken parts and the bowels they lurk in will be sparkling clean. It is doubtful you will need to replace any of the parts listed above.

I have been around boats my whole life and I was anti-Hunter when we first started looking. Hubby was new to the industry and thought I was nuts not to love the Hunters -- for their clever engineering, quality build and beautiful layouts. Only when I stopped to view the industry from his eyes -- and he had a 26 year career as an electro-mechanical service engineer, so he's no dummy in that department -- only then did I see that he was right.

I'll take a lightweight easy-to-sail production boat any day of the week.

After all, most cruisers go for only 1-4 years. They may have dreamed of cruising for "the rest of their life" but most we've met are done before their 3rd year is over. Why spend any precious days of those very few years replacing parts on an old boat, just because it was custom built and had a good name in its day?

[neilpride]

Thats a wrong perception, many people think that a 20 years old boat is a project, when in fact the market is huge and you can found 20 years old boats in pristine conditions, and in many cases with a huge list of improvements, is a compromise, but in any case the same parts and maintenance in a well maintained 20 year boat is the same as in your 5 year old boat...