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Old 11-12-2016, 19:21   #1
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Ketch for liveable cruiser

Planning on packing it all in and becoming a full time cruiser
starting in the chessapeke area and heading south to the islands
Me and the wife are in our fiftys so thought the ketch would be a good comprimise for sail plan and managment along with the nice layout inside
Im intrested in a well kept irwin 41 cc but am a little afraid of some of the lack of confidence in the builders quality as a blue water boat.
Not planning on taking a lot of risks so will plan weather in advance

Not looking to create a ford verse chevy debate i just dont have much experience with the type and make of boat
I have been on the boat and was impresseed with the condition and upkeep of the vessel
so just looking for some history anyone might have'
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Re: ketch for liveable cruiser

Definately no cutters for you ?? Easier to furl the genoa and simply put a tuck or two into the main. No heavy main to handle and more room in the cockpit. Just a suggestion.
Furling a big sail instead of handling a main. Furling mains notwithstanding.
Don't mean to go GM v's Ford debate.
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Not planning on taking a lot of risks so will plan weather in advance
Lesson number one; you can minimize weather risks with routing and forecasts but you'd better be prepared for the worst Mother Nature can throw your way.
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Lesson number one; you can minimize weather risks with routing and forecasts but you'd better be prepared for the worst Mother Nature can throw your way.
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Old 11-12-2016, 22:11   #6
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Lesson number one; you can minimize weather risks with routing and forecasts but you'd better be prepared for the worst Mother Nature can throw your way.
Sounds good when you say it fast, Jim, but the truth is that very, very few recreational boats are prepared for even moderately bad weather, let alone the worst. For the casual and coastal sailor, such a degree of preparedness is perhaps overkill and over spend... at least in my opinion.

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Old 11-12-2016, 22:29   #7
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For the area mentioned, your choices are vast. Seriously, a Catalina 30 would be plentty.

Draft will be something you will think about a lot about, as these areas are shallow. After that, it needs to meet YOUR needs for style and comfort. Irwins have traveled far and wide - so if you like it ignore the armchair sailors.

You've already figured out the first part - a solid, well maintained boat.

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...a well kept irwin 41 cc but am a little afraid of some of the lack of confidence in the builders quality as a blue water boat.
Not planning on taking a lot of risks so will plan weather in advance
I don't want to offend Irwin owners but quality wise, you can probably do better. Even if you have to fork over a few more bucks than you really want to...you'll be happier in the long run to have peace of mind and something that is more marketable if you ever sell in the future.
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Old 12-12-2016, 09:26   #9
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Re: ketch for liveable cruiser

Hi ,i taked the same desition that you and finally i bought a Perry 47 .Its an old boat ,2 world trip without problem .You don't going to be the winner of a race but enough spacefor all and its easy to sail and the most important is too strong
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Old 12-12-2016, 11:36   #10
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Look at s Ted Brewer designed Whitby 42. Solid go anywhere ketch rigged cruiser with tons of room. I know of at least one for sale in the Chesapeake which has been lovingly maintained
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Sounds good when you say it fast, Jim, but the truth is that very, very few recreational boats are prepared for even moderately bad weather, let alone the worst. For the casual and coastal sailor, such a degree of preparedness is perhaps overkill and over spend... at least in my opinion.

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When he mentioned "heading south to the islands" it became apparent that he was no longer a coastal sailor, in my opinion. I know you can hop from the east coast of Florida to the Bahamas but even fully crewed racers have fallen prey to the "Gulf Stream busters" so an inexperienced sailor should not take the passage lightly.
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Nothing wrong with a ketch, my preference is a cutter though, at least in your 40 ft size range.
Not a big fan of Irwins, but for an island trip and live aboard, many boats will suffice.
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Re: ketch for liveable cruiser

having sailed sloops, cutters, and ketches, i much prefer the ketch as a sola sailing vessel.
easy to handle--i only deal with rollered genoa and 14 ft boom mounted mizzen--can reef either from cockpit, if wind slows to under 30 kts, i can use my smaller than necessary chikkinsailor fully battened mainsail. no i donot race---i merely sail and enjoy nonstressed sailing.
and i understand santa has a SPINNAKER WITH SOCK for me!!!! i can SAIL whooot!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~ once my repairs are complete i can again go for leaky teaky yacht club and tavern speed record. last attempt failed by 0.1 mph, using only reeefed mizzen and reefed genoa in 60+kts chubasco, i got 8.4 kts
with the installation of my new mizzen mast i will include a spare halyard for a spinnaker or other sail as needed (yankee or other) from mizzenmast-- as well as one more halyard at mainmast. (potentially 2 headsails plus spinnaker)
so much flexibility with the smaller split rig a ketch offers.
directional stability--can trim sails to keep a course, smaller to handle, split rig for stability and comfort in heavy weather. definitely a plus. i can cook in comfort when i am in heavy weather.
so many advantages in a cruising situation of a ketch rig over a sloop or cutter.
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Old 12-12-2016, 14:16   #14
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Wife and I did live aboard in San Diego (no bad wx) and Caribbean for two years (4 hurricanes on our watch) and now up in Chesapeake Bay area on our Cal 46-3 ketch. Roomy, stout, great live-aboard. I put EVERYTHING you could want on it (Chartplotters (2) , radar, depth (2), scanning sonar, marine & ham SSB, gen, inverter, 1000 ah AMG batteries,... We just happen to be coming to end of our cruising term (I'm 70) and just starting to consider finding another eager cruising couple to help get started with a sturdy/ turn-key boat. email me is at all interested (luff.bob@gmail.com). Regardless, best wishes on following your dream!
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