Jacksonville to Wilmington in January

[PineyWoodsPete]

Originally Posted by Lateral Hazard

Sorry but we are angry.

The whole coast from Jacksonville to Cape Fear an further is very shallow, with the 5 fathom (30') line 5-10 or more miles out. There is NO safe sailing 2-3 miles out in anything but a centerboard day sailor or pocket cruiser - in settled weather only.

The 60' depth contour averages about 20-25mi offshore, and I imagine the so-called captain wanted to get to more depth for safety with the weather building.

Did you end up going into Savannah?

[Snore]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

If didn’t say they push the boat hard , I was saying they can push the crew hard.

Owners on board , yes , newbies onboard , that’s a different kettle of fish.

I’m not defending the skipper , the OP clearly ended up with a problematic person. Any good skipper would have been able to evaluate their crew and his wife should never have been in that position.

The skipper should have ensured he had at least another very competent sailor he could rely on , most delivery skippers always have a range of trusted crew to help from time to time I know I had.

Don’t push crews either. Push the crew fatigue goes up and bad thing happen. If the crew is owner provided my contact allows me to break the job into hops.

Better to do that than to become Bligh.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Snore

Don’t push crews either. Push the crew fatigue goes up and bad thing happen. If the crew is owner provided my contact allows me to break the job into hops.

Better to do that than to become Bligh.

Bligh was an excellent captain, you need to avoid the movie versions. ( he was however unfortunate to be involved in two mutinies !!)

I merely make the point as I crewed for many years with delivery skippers , that they are on the clock and it’s not a pleasure cruise. Hence you will see sailing in less then ideal situations and times of year etc. Little thought is given to layovers or the like etc.

I learned a huge amount and I also learned a lot about what not to do. !!!

My own deliveries were always undertaken with that experience in mind.

[Stmurray62]

Oh my!! Very Bad delivery Captain!!! As. delivery Captain, with owners on board, our job is to teach, coach , assist. Not yell and criticize. Very unprofessional and uncouth!!!

Since u had such a bad experience ; just pay my expenses; no fee, I’ll get you to your destination m, whilst I teach/coach. I’m a USCG Master 100, with sailing endorsement and ASA credentials; I teach at Wind Ward Sailing School at Amelia Isl. Call me: 904 557 6932

[Snore]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Bligh was an excellent captain, you need to avoid the movie versions. ( he was however unfortunate to be involved in two mutinies !!)

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I have read his log book (see Amazon Kindle). It is a great read and provides insight into how he ran his ships.


Bligh was an excellent mariner who took a small boat transpacific. One can only marvel at that seamanship. But, he was a terrible leader of individuals. A good captain commands respect by his seamanship, actions and character. Not by yelling, screaming and (as Bligh) the cat of 9 tails.


Sorry for thread drift

[flyingfin]

Originally Posted by Lateral Hazard

Thanks, with Captains at a premium it is difficult. They are booked for delivery's one after another. If there is a chance 4 days turns into 7 days they cannot commit. I understand the weather issue but the market for Captains is tight right now and they are busy.

Hmmmm, as an experienced delivery captain I would never run offshore in a vessel customer just purchased, especially one that the previous owner may not have taken away from the dock in years. Your salesman and broker were correct and their advise should have triggered an alarm in your head.

As to a lack of captains, you just did not interview enough responsible persons. I always prefer the ICW to an offshore run, regardless of time of year. Sure it takes longer and you cannot run at night. But any problems can be resolved by pulling out of channel, tossing the anchor and making repairs. Plus with an inflatable and small bicycle on deck, I can make it to the nearest NAPA store and back for parts (along with a couple of bags of ice ) faster than those offshore delivery guys can get towed back to port! Any bad weather or equipment failure on the ICW just ruins your day, but everyone aboard still get a good night sleep!

[skipmac]

Very sorry to hear the trip was such a fiasco. If the captain was screaming at your wife, unless you were facing imminent death, he was a jerk. I sincerely hope she will be able to put this behind her and not be poisoned on sailing for life.

However, when you first asked about moving a boat to NC in January I think you were given plenty of warnings that this could be very problematic and to proceed with great caution. Based strictly on second hand, hearsay evidence it is possible that the captain, considering he carried a newbie crew, could have made a rash decision to leave when he did. That being said, at the end of the day, the final decision on going or whether you should accompany him or not was yours. Hopefully you can use this as a lesson in the future to overrule or at least carefully question advise or decisions from others.

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by Snore

I am a delivery captain and I call BS!

Good delivery guys who have owners aboard define the scope of services ahead of time. They discuss routing ahead of time. They explain that there is little time for in depth learning. If that is not done ahead of time, people are disappointed.

Good delivery guys do NOT push boats hard, as that can result in breakage.

There are good delivery guys and there are cheap delivery guys.

I call BS
You think I am happy about a blown out mainsail? You think I am happy about spending 648.00 dollars to park the boat in Charleston, (because the Captain had to get back for another delivery and did not want to do the ditch) and we ended up an hour further up the coast than where we started? You think I am happy about replacing mainsail slides and track because, according to the inspection, we were in very high winds? You think I am happy that when we originally asked if we could go we were told 2-3 miles out? This Captain chose a rum line that got him to the final destination the fastest without care for the vessel or us because he had another delivery to make.

[sailorboy1]

on the plus, you learned a lot even if you wouldn't realize it for a long time

hope you saw the free offer to move your boat

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by PineyWoodsPete

The whole coast from Jacksonville to Cape Fear an further is very shallow, with the 5 fathom (30') line 5-10 or more miles out. There is NO safe sailing 2-3 miles out in anything but a centerboard day sailor or pocket cruiser - in settled weather only.

The 60' depth contour averages about 20-25mi offshore, and I imagine the so-called captain wanted to get to more depth for safety with the weather building.

Did you end up going into Savannah?

No, further North. and we went up without issue and we draw 5 ft so not sure where there is a draft issue 2-3 miles out until you get to the cape.

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by Stmurray62

Oh my!! Very Bad delivery Captain!!! As. delivery Captain, with owners on board, our job is to teach, coach , assist. Not yell and criticize. Very unprofessional and uncouth!!!

Since u had such a bad experience ; just pay my expenses; no fee, I’ll get you to your destination m, whilst I teach/coach. I’m a USCG Master 100, with sailing endorsement and ASA credentials; I teach at Wind Ward Sailing School at Amelia Isl. Call me: 904 557 6932

Thank you soooo much!! We are at Charleston Marina now. I will talk to Admiral. We would never do it for just expenses. People need to be paid for their work. I will call tomorrow. Thank you so very much.

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

on the plus, you learned a lot even if you wouldn't realize it for a long time

hope you saw the free offer to move your boat

I missed it. Thank you!! Free is not something we can accept as people need to be paid but am calling tomorrow!!!

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by flyingfin

Hmmmm, as an experienced delivery captain I would never run offshore in a vessel customer just purchased, especially one that the previous owner may not have taken away from the dock in years. Your salesman and broker were correct and their advise should have triggered an alarm in your head.

As to a lack of captains, you just did not interview enough responsible persons. I always prefer the ICW to an offshore run, regardless of time of year. Sure it takes longer and you cannot run at night. But any problems can be resolved by pulling out of channel, tossing the anchor and making repairs. Plus with an inflatable and small bicycle on deck, I can make it to the nearest NAPA store and back for parts (along with a couple of bags of ice ) faster than those offshore delivery guys can get towed back to port! Any bad weather or equipment failure on the ICW just ruins your day, but everyone aboard still get a good night sleep!

Thank you, Actually we had hired him to give Betsy 101-105 certification and I would tag along this summer. The weather on those two lessons were to rough apparently and he canceled.

[Lateral Hazard]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Very sorry to hear the trip was such a fiasco. If the captain was screaming at your wife, unless you were facing imminent death, he was a jerk. I sincerely hope she will be able to put this behind her and not be poisoned on sailing for life.

However, when you first asked about moving a boat to NC in January I think you were given plenty of warnings that this could be very problematic and to proceed with great caution. Based strictly on second hand, hearsay evidence it is possible that the captain, considering he carried a newbie crew, could have made a rash decision to leave when he did. That being said, at the end of the day, the final decision on going or whether you should accompany him or not was yours. Hopefully you can use this as a lesson in the future to overrule or at least carefully question advise or decisions from others.

You are absolutely correct. I take some responsibility because the surveyor, the sea trial Captain and the salesman all said " going outside for delivery in the winter? Yea, no. It can be done but it can get ugly"
The reason we felt comfortable is the Captain we hired was the captain who was going to give Betsy her ASA 101-105 sailing instruction and he cancelled twice this fall because the weather called for 4-6 foot waves and he never brings new sailors out in those conditions. He caught us off guard with "We thought we could outrun the front nonsense' Thanks for you kind words!

[skipmac]

I am a bit confused on one point so. You say you are in Charleston but also say the boat is only one hour closer than Jacksonville. I assume you mean Jacksonville FL and Charleston SC? If so you are over three hours closer by car than when you started out. I can guarantee because I've driven that stretch many times.

Did I miss something?