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Old 20-06-2024, 16:47   #1
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Is this a S&S?

Long time lurker but I am now taking the plunge into yacht ownership.

I am in the process of purchasing a yacht and the vendor is 99% sure its an S&S but cant confirm 100%.

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46 Ketch (although the boat survey report says 44feet)
Constructed in Melbourne - Australia
Hull: 6mm Corten Steel Over 65mmx10mm Stringers And Frames

I looked at sailboat data and the only ketches around this time was the swan or nautor 50 (1976) or the NORTH STAR 80/20, but the north start is only 40feet.

The sunward 48 is also a ketch but the hull design is different.

Any idea? where can one look for a hull number?
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Old 20-06-2024, 17:31   #2
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Re: Is this a S&S?

Maybe a Roberts? With the discrepancy in lengths, maybe you're seeing the overhang astern of the solar arch?

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Re: Is this a S&S?

Contact the S&S office... they will know!

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Old 20-06-2024, 22:55   #4
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Re: Is this a S&S?

Over many decades of S&S, dozens if not scores of designers have worked in their offices and have got "S&S" on their resumé.
For a '70s boat, it doesn't look much like anything Olin Stephens himself would have designed.
But that doesn't mean it didn't come from someone working for him at that time.
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Silvrav I checked my S&S book and none of the plans listed match the ketch or come close. I also think that sheer line looks to flat for a S&S.
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Re: Is this a S&S?

+1 for possibly one of Roberts' designs, albeit with IOR modified stern.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/mauritius-43/
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Re: Is this a S&S?

Whatever it is, if it surveys well it looks like a great cruising boat !

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+1 for possibly one of Roberts' designs, albeit with IOR modified stern.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/mauritius-43/
And a different keel as the Mauritius seems to be a full keel? Or is it mostly up to the builder?

And thanks everyone, got to do some more research. She had a major refit in 2012 with new ss standing rigging and a new motor.
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Silvrav that new rigging in 2012 is probably due to be replaced depending on your insurance company.

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Silvrav that new rigging in 2012 is probably due to be replaced depending on your insurance company.

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Yip, planning to do it over the next 12months but will have it inspected as well.

Seems I found the plan - Roberts 44.

https://www.finelineboatplans.com/br...e-44-boat-plan

So now, question is is there a big price expectation between a Roberst and a S&S?
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Yip, planning to do it over the next 12months but will have it inspected as well.

Seems I found the plan - Roberts 44.

https://www.finelineboatplans.com/br...e-44-boat-plan

So now, question is is there a big price expectation between a Roberst and a S&S?
OH, YES! Many of the Roberts were home built: some good, others range from decent to awful, imo.

Get a new broker. They all want their commission, fair enough, but as I wrote before, I question your brokers honesty!

Pls don't shine me on as a nervous shiela. Check my profile.

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Old 22-06-2024, 02:47   #12
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OH, YES! Many of the Roberts were home built: some good, others range from decent to awful, imo.

Get a new broker. They all want their commission, fair enough, but as I wrote before, I question your brokers honesty!

Pls don't shine me on as a nervous shiela. Check my profile.

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Thank you. I went on a research binch and found she is still well priced, survey looks good and she had a major refit in 2012 with another mini refit in 2022/23.

I'm going to go view her next week for and a sea trial so will know more then.
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So now, question is is there a big price expectation between a Roberst and a S&S?
Remember that S&S don't build boats, they design them for others to build. some are built on production lines with many examples afloat, others are one-offs, built by either an amateur shipwright or a professional. There are obvious variations in quality of build.

For instance, I used to own a Yankee 30. She was a S&S design built in Southern California back in the 70s. Mine was hull number 123 and IIRC they eventually built about 150 of them. She was a great boat for me at the time.

Here in Port Cygnet Tasmania there is a timber S&S 30 on a nearby mooring, and she is a thing of beauty and a one-off build. Not identical lines to my old boat for sure, but from the same office and with similar "bones". I suspect that she would sell for a higher price than a Yankee 30 around here (where timber hulls are highly regarded). In the USA she might be hard to sell at any price.

This has been a kinda convoluted response to your query and I hope that it has helped rather than hindered your thought processes.

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Re: Is this a S&S?

Definitely not a S&S North Star...I own one
BTW, 6mm steel scantlings?
4mm hull and 3mm deck is more than enough...
This yacht looks like a Roberts 44 something...
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