Is the Market Really this Bad ?

[Perfect Storm]

I bought my current boat, a 87 Ericson 32, for 19000 in 2008. The broker was asking 38000. Today people are still asking 38000 and more but they are not selling. I have always bought boats at low pricing. I can do anything myself, I couldn't afford any other way.

[wolfenzee]

Originally Posted by Freerider

I can't understand how people can put this kind of money into a refit, are they including some insane boat yard prices? Are they paying the Oyster boat yard to do the work?

I'm refitting a 35' right now, no boat yard fees and I'm doing all the work myself. I just can't see how its possible that I could put $100 000 into it or why I would want to try. I'm thinking $30 000 max, including a $10 000 engine and $3500 wind vane.

IF i went to the local rigger and said replace my standing rigging and send me a bill it would be over $7000 (doing it myself is $400), the local foundry would charge $1200 for chain plates (to just get bronze strap is $185), tohve the epoxy barrier coat and anti fouling put on would cost over $3500 and over $1200 for hull paint (materials,supplies any paying for a little labor was $1400)...that is about $2000 vs over $13,000 to have the pros do it

[Doodles]

Originally Posted by wolfenzee

IF i went to the local rigger and said replace my standing rigging and send me a bill it would be over $7000 (doing it myself is $400), the local foundry would charge $1200 for chain plates (to just get bronze strap is $185), tohve the epoxy barrier coat and anti fouling put on would cost over $3500 and over $1200 for hull paint (materials,supplies any paying for a little labor was $1400)...that is about $2000 vs over $13,000 to have the pros do it

Are you sure about the standing rigging costs. I just spend over $200 on Dyna Dux to just replace my lifelines, and that was at $1.69/foot. The Dux runs about the same as wire but I'm sure you'd have more and then there are fittings.

[Celestialsailor]

Maybe he uses Galvanized wire. Some of those older boats use that and they swear by it...or was that at it?

[savoir]

Your $400 figure is not even almost pretty much sorta close. Assume 5/16" 1 x 19 ss caps and 150 ft all up - there's $636. Assume 1/4" lowers and inner forestay at 70 ft all up - there's $235. It would not be too hard to spend $1000 or more on turnbuckles and terminals - you have to make up 7 wires. Four 5/16" turnbuckles alone will cost $460.

Prices from Defender website.

[Mr B]

304 stainless 5/16th turnbuckles are $16-00 and $19-00 each, depending on type,

4 X $20-00 = $80-00

Where do you get $460-00 from.

[savoir]

You are quoting the price of terminal swages not turnbuckles.

[Mr B]

Pricing is much the same from Whitworths or Graingers, both about $20-00 each for stainless turnbuckles.

[Mr B]

Google price for 5/16th stainless turnbuckles, I just did,

All will be revealed. Hahahaha

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by savoir

You are quoting the price of terminal swages not turnbuckles.

These are $9-00 each

[pressuredrop]

turnbuckles for 5/16th wire will have 1/2" pins... price those... bronze open body, 113... would you put turnbuckles from grainger on your boat?!?!

[savoir]

Originally Posted by pressuredrop

turnbuckles for 5/16th wire will have 1/2" pins... price those... bronze open body, 113... would you put turnbuckles from grainger on your boat?!?!

Beat me to it. Mr B is quoting wire thickness as if it were pin size. Pin size is always more - in this case 1/2" or 12 mm. Similarly, I sure wouldn't use those el cheapo turnbuckles to hold my mast up. Grainger quote the SWL for their 1/2" model at 2200 lb - cool huh ? The Johnson model that I quoted has a SWL of 12,500 lbs. Which one do you want holding up your mast MR B ?

Time for a self administered uppercut.

These are the ones I quoted.
Tubular Turnbuckle

Norseman ones are cheaper if you are OK with the open side style and no top. Westmarine want $180 for the open style Hayn turnbuckles with a top.

[Mr B]

It was a suggestion to shop around,

[Rhapsody-NS27]

I found this site for different rigging.
Rigging And Hardware - Rigging Only's Online Store

[Mexdon]

To me the thread seems to have drifted from the state of the market to the price of turnbuckles which should really be in dollars and cents.