Originally Posted by Ex-Calif
Also after making the unsinkable 30 footer I'd like to see the shower
space for a 6'6" guy...
BrokenSailor - People are really trying to respond and help but even after a few weeks of posting
and engaging you still seem to be all over the map about requirements and short term actions.
You've been everwhere from 14 foot Potters to 40+ footers.
Most problem solving starts with divergent thinking, all idea on the table. Requirements and resources are discussed. Reality sets in and then convergent dialog starts where a decision is made.
I can tell you that if you want to get on the water in this case you will
- Not build a boat
- Not go for an unobtanium boat
- Limit your boats to what you can reasonably afford and more importantly maintain
- This puts you back in the sub-30 foot plastic boat range and likely sub 27 foot
You can live on this boat, not comfortable but you have stated you live in one room now.
As to how to actually do that - go read the whole living on $500 thread. Go read about 90% of the posts that SailorChick makes - She is the gold standard around here for living cheaply on a boat.
Then get away from you computer and go near the water and kick some tires. It appears you haven't been to a marina or anywhere yet.
It is hard, I find many marinas
user unfriendly, but try to walk the docks and talk to a few folks.
Then get on with it!
I guess I need to explain a little on my choices of requirement and also say they are not set in stone by a long shot. The reason I have been all over the place is because I am learning
about sailboats from you guys. The more I learn the more I have to compromise when it comes to getting a boat. This is changing the over all requirements but the places I want to go with this boat has not changed. I do not plan on going sailing across oceans any time soon after first getting a boat.
1. Unsinkable and self righting
This is a safety
issue that the boat rights itself in case of a knock down or a bad wave hit to the side. Being positively buoyant even when swamped might not only save your life it might even save your boat and your belonging too since it stays afloat instead of sinking to the bottom.
2. 30 feet LOA
preferred but longer boat possible if needed to match all requirements
The 30 feet or shorter preferred came from listening to you all on here when it come to cost and fees
. Example: All boaters entering The Bahamas
are required to pay an entry fee.
a) For boats up to 30', the fee is $150.00
b) For boats over 30', the fee is $300.00
Taken from the Bahama website Docking fees
and other fees are by the foot so trying to keep the boat under 30 feet is going to save me money
in the long run.
3. Shoal draft
under 5 feet.
This was to be able to go in the ICW
of the Tennessee River and be able to cut across Florida
instead of around it if I wanted too and to be able to find anchorage in places a full time deep draft
boat can't not go. I had dropped the being able to beach the boat as a requirement because you all made it clear it was limiting me to a coastal only boat.
4. Offshore passage
This is for later on so I can travel and see some of the world that I would like to visit after I have enough knowledge and skill to sail across oceans during the right time of year.
5. At least 500 NM range on the inboard Diesel motor
I came up with this figure from plotting a course from the Crooked Creek Marina to the Gulf of Mexico
in Mobile, AL. According to the charts
it is about 410 NMi from here to there and adding an eighteen percent reserve range put it at 500 NMi. I do not know how many places there are on the Tennessee River Waterway from here to the gulf for fuel
stops so I was trying to make it possible to go from point A to point B without having to stop for fuel
and without having to clutter up the decks with "Jerry" cans.
6. Tall standing height cabin
, over 6'6" with pilot house is preferred.
Having a cabin
I can stand up in that I can afford to get would be preferred but I know I am gong to have to compromise on just about any manufactured boat that I can afford to buy and most that have that tall of a cabin are well out of my price
range for now.
7. Comfortable live board with shower, head
, AC/heating unit and water maker onboard.
The shower is optional but would be nice to have onboard and I sure wouldn't have room for a tub or the water it would take to fill it to be able to use it.
So that is why I choose the requirements I did. Right now I am saving my money
and just looking at the different designs that would best fit my wants and needs for where I want to be able to go. By asking questions and finding out what is a good deal and what is not, I am learning for when i have the money in hand to buy my boat. I have not visited the marina where they do the Learn at the Helm sailing lessons
yet because they have not answered my inquiry yet and I don't have a phone
number for them at this time. I also have a couple of medical
issues that has come up that have to be taken care of before I can do much right now. At this time it looks like I might be having my knee replacements
sooner than expected especially on my right knee. I am hoping that my resent medical
problem is not going to throw a monkey wrench into my dreams of sailing. I will know more after Sept 8th.