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17-04-2022, 15:38
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
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17-04-2022, 15:51
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
Thanks for the replies! I appreciate the strong voices for yea and ney on having one and more importantly not letting the absence of one prevent me from looking at a boat. As many have said a dodger and bimini can be added later but I've been pricing them out as 3K and up. Anyway, thanks for your replies.
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17-04-2022, 15:54
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
I'm on my 4th boat in the Caribbean and only had one without a dodger, and had I not sold it I would have gotten one. Even here the dodger keeps the constant tradewinds out of the cockpit and at sea it keeps the wet stuff out.
In addition, while at anchor the boat will point into the wind. With a dodger in place the main hatch or companionway can be kept open at night and ventilate the boat without risking getting water below should it rain.
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17-04-2022, 15:59
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
Boat: Bristol 27
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
I was taking this video sometimes behind the dodger and sometimes not.
Wind gusts to 40 + as the squall passed over
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17-04-2022, 16:02
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
Dodgers in the rain with strong winds at anchor are also nice to have.....
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17-04-2022, 16:05
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
Captain Andy:
I would not let the presence or absence of a dodger influence me, in my choice of boat. It is that one can be added later on, for somewhere in the thousand dollar range. The entire design of the boat is the important thing. Generally speaking, lower freeboard boats take more water over the bows than higher freeboard ones, and people with dodgers stay dryer in the rain and "greenies" than the folks without. The pilot house folks are the best protected of all.
Most dodgers are ordered with the front window opening so that you can enjoy the feel of the fresh ocean air on your face when you want it, and then zip it closed at other times. We build a hard dodger for our first "Insatiable" that had a large hatch in the top, for the same reason: ventilation when it is hot. We have never used a Bimini, but some kind of awning that is easy to take town when the breeze gets up. Talk with the folks who sail in your area, or just go looking at boats. If most of the boats have them, you might want to consider adding one at some time. The majority will have chosen what gives the most comfort, including budget constraints.
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17-04-2022, 16:07
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
for me it is a requirement along with a bimini. better to get it with the boat.
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18-04-2022, 03:25
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Location: Little Compton, RI
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
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Originally Posted by Adelie
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I find they restrict the view from the helm, especially on rainy nights when you really want to see as much as possible. Since I always rely on a visual watch, it'd be like shooting myself in the foot to have one. On my boat, the geometry of the cabin wouldn't allow for one anyway, since the dinghy stored aft of the mast reaches into the space it would take.
Then like Jim mentioned, he never put his back down, and I know people rarely do: since I mostly build my own stuff, if I wanted a dodger that I was never going to put down, I'd just build a solid fiberglass structure and have a glass window that could be seen out of easier, and not have canvas to maintain.
At the end of the day, dodgers are needed due to poor design and bad practice: boats with skinny sharp bows that throw a lot of water aft, and people who insist on powering into winds and waves--those two things make for a very wet boat and almost do make a dodger an imperative. But if you have a properly deigned vessel, with codfish bows and a mackerel tail, and you don't insist on motorsailing as tight into the wind as possible, the boat stays pretty dry. I can count twice in 12,000 miles that a chunk of water came aft and hit the steersman on my boat.
So, with my boat and my style of sailing, a dodger would simply be an unsightly appendage on an already crowded boat.
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18-04-2022, 03:40
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Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Lower Chesapeake Bay Area
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
Yeah my center window of the dodger usually stays open also on nice days and sometimes at night. The biggest block to visibility for me are the sails.
I actually "missed" seeing a container ship a few years ago at about 10:30 pm before I had AIS because my view was blocked by the jib and other "light pollution" may have camouflaged the ship's lights also as I was coming in from total night darkness to the multiple cities of Hampton Roads.
There were vehicle lights, street lights, buoy and range marker lights, house lights, container ship lights, anchored fishing boat lights, etc
Luckily the Pilot hailed me on VHF wonder what my plans were.
Even after crossing the shipping channel safely I looked back after a mile or so and saw the ghostly silhouette of a second container ship headed out with it's little green bow light on ....
I also use the dodger frame as a hand hold at times.
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18-04-2022, 03:49
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Urbanna, Virginia
Boat: Tartan 4100
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
I've had three sailboats over the last 30 years, the first one, a Cal 27 did not have a dodger/bimini but the 37 and my 41 have them and I would not be without and one of the main reasons is that we also have a full zipper enclosure out of Isinglass and this is a game changer throughout the shoulder season and winter months here in the Mid-Atlantic as this becomes an extension of our living space. Seriously, it adds a full sunroom that warms up tremendously where I can wear a t-shirt when it is 30 degrees outside!
We have sailed in some serious rain storms and stayed dry as a bone. Yes, windage can be an issue but if you are expecting stronger than gale force conditions, I would consider folding the bimini/connector panel and stick with just the dodger, then once the storm passes, re-attach everything.
Skin cancer runs in my family, so staying out of the sun as much as possible and sunscreen are tops in priority for us.
All this being said, a full dodger/bimini/enclosure that we have will cost several thousands of dollars to have a professional do it for you.
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18-04-2022, 04:56
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Rochester, NY
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
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Originally Posted by Benz
I find they restrict the view from the helm, especially on rainy nights when you really want to see as much as possible. Since I always rely on a visual watch, it'd be like shooting myself in the foot to have one.
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I've been on some boats where the dodger was noticeably in the way visibility-wise, but others where it wasn't really (and I spent far more time moving my head to see past a big genoa vs the dodger). A lot of it comes down to people wanting a dodger that doesn't look bulky, so they end up with something that's awkward to see past (too big to look over/around, but not big enough to look through it well). If the design is well thought out, it shouldn't be an issue.
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20-04-2022, 16:34
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: USA
Boat: Island Packet 29
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
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Originally Posted by Zanshin
I'm on my 4th boat in the Caribbean and only had one without a dodger, and had I not sold it I would have gotten one. Even here the dodger keeps the constant tradewinds out of the cockpit and at sea it keeps the wet stuff out.
In addition, while at anchor the boat will point into the wind. With a dodger in place the main hatch or companionway can be kept open at night and ventilate the boat without risking getting water below should it rain.
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Rain comes from all directions. Never had a dodger be much help at all to keep rain out of the companionway.
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20-04-2022, 17:45
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Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Ontario Canada
Boat: Jeanneau SO 389
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
I love my dodger Andy and Bimini. I don’t think feet count. I have a fold down swim platform and I’d like to add another loop to extend an awning over it when needed. We can strip the boat and hide everything but the front curved piece. The Bimini is rarely down with guests. I think it creates a more connected atmosphere for folks. The factory canvas has a weird second position for the back wall of the camper back. It can go ahead of the helmS or behind it. The Bimini May be the best place to avoid shadows on your solar panels.
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20-04-2022, 19:41
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Join Date: Jul 2020
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Re: Is a dodger a necessity?
Good sailing in the PNW means fall through spring. In my opinion, a dodger is a must for sailing beyond day sailing more than a couple hours. I would not be able to get my wife on the boat for non-summer trips without one. I’ve highly considered adding a rear enclosure ( more stout than your typical Bimini) to the back for this same reason. In the summer they both give shade which is nice motoring up to the islands in August. I wouldn’t make it a “no sale” if it didn’t have a dodger but assume your going to spend $2k’ish on a decent one and I think that is on the cheap end. Mine is a hard too with zip out sides and front. In the mid 90’s it was $2500 (previous owner purchase and I have the receipt)
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