Hood 38 or Tartan 42?

[Elegua]

If Elagua is correct and the difference is 12sec then that would be 10hr over 3000nm.

I just take it from here. It's an NE rating, so that should theoretically mean a light air PHRF rating

PHRF New England - Handicapping - Base Handicaps

A couple people have mentioned the rebuild of the Perkins.

I did it because it was a bit cheaper and I essentially replaced everything else - all hoses, wiring, soundproofing, accessories and brought the fire suppression up to code. It's a nice simple engine that provides adequate power. I think it only every made 50hp in the manual, but it is low rpm with peak torque vaguely around 2,200 rpm. 1,900 rpm gets me exactly 6kts through flat water and WOT gets me 2,850 rpm and 8kts with a 3-blade Maxprop. I may replace it before I push off for good. Let's see how we get along in the meantime.

Coring: The Wauquiez actually has very limited coring in the decks - only the center of wide panels where there are no OE fittings. Each balsa block was epoxy coated before installation in an attempt to avoid water migration. You do have to watch any PO installed items if they did not install carefully.

With either boat, try to resist the temptation provided by the yard fab shop with alluring custom CNC'd and welded stainless steel parts....

[Owendog]

My Perkins 4108 in the Hood 38 needed to be completely rebuilt and price was around $15k for the entire job. I belive estimate for new engine was around $20k not including modifations on mounts, transmission, etc.

I'm quite happy with the rebuilt Perkins...a very solid motor. Also, 50 hp combined with 3 bladed Flexofold prop gives lots of power. I'm located on Chesapeake...come for a ride.

[robert sailor]

I owned and sailed a Tartan 44 (same hull as 41/42) all over the north and south pacific for 4 years and I'd be happy to answer any detailed questions, pm me if you wish. They are stout wonderful sailing boats.

[Livia]

If you want more info on the Hood 38 there is a fairly active (and very knowledgeable) Wauquiez forum:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/wauquiez-boats/info

[Elzaar]

I am the original poster on this thread so though its been a couple of years I thought I would briefly round it out for other searchers.

First, thanks to all the people who replied to my questions. Life got very hectic after this, but has settled down since then. The folks who took the time to answer my questions in this and other threads continue to be an amazing resource.

I ended up buying the Wauquiez Hood Mk I. As suggested here, the owners' group is exceptional.
After 30 months of sailing and re-fitting, and now mostly living aboard the past six months I would parrot all of the build quality compliments.

The deck on mine had all of the teak removed long ago, but the deck itself is solid fiberglass everywhere I work on it. The back of the anchor locker lids have plywood backing and will eventually need work, but otherwise solid. I replaced all thru hulls last winter (one had a very minor leak) and glassed some in. The yard doing the work joked about how insanely thick the hull is by today's standards. More than an inch was the norm with the bow being closer to 1 3/4". We literally had to figure out how to make one fitting longer or plumb the edges to seat it. I just had the same yard take a look at the hull and gel coat and they commented on how good the gel coat looks and recommended just a good buffing (in addition to some gel coat repair I had inflicted). Most people assume the hull has been painted - the stripe has been, but the hull gel coat is original.

There is some cracking of gel coat in stress areas topside, but so far it is only cosmetic. I will assume other people know what they are talking about when they say this is a result of too thick gelcoat.

The interior wood work is exceptional, but some of that was aftermarket. The head and galley are both weak points as noted, but I just replaced the counters with laminate covered ply. So much of my interior has been modified that i can't say much beyond that the general layout works for me.

A P.O. had upgraded mast and all rigging including rod rigging. The original chain plates show no sign of leaking or damage.

She sails very well. She does like to heel about 12 - 15 degrees, but once there she is pretty much on rails as others have noted. On an upwind run I literally took my hands off the helm for about a minute and just watched her go into 18 - 20 kt apparent wind at hull speed of 7.4 knots. On another occassion I managed to run out of fuel with practically no wind and only my high cut 100% jib on the furler. With 3 - 5 knot variable winds I still managed to coax 1.5 to 3 knts until the wind completely died after an hour or so. John Drake mentions on another thread the advantage of a centerboard and I really confirmed it that night. The ability to lift the board downwind makes a much bigger difference than I would have guessed. Similarly the ability to make the boat slide sans CB is nice. I use that combined with the clockwise prop walk to spin my boat into the slip stern-to. I am not so much pushing that as an oft used feature but just to demonstrate that it gives you some nice options - in addition to allowing anchoring or mooring in close to cliff wind breaks in shallows where normally only power boats dare to go.

I do wish she had a longer waterline, but I remind myself she is only a 38' boat and speed is very relative. She manages to move in light air (5 knots wind) in pretty much every direction. I am in the process of setting up better light air sailing options for my particular boat based on the logic that every half knot I can add up to hull speed is more valuable than a half knot actual terminal hull speed. It may be fuzzy logic, but its all I've got barring someone invents a clever way off adding waterline length cheaper than the cost of a good whisker pole and cruising Code Zero and Asym.

The oft-discussed Mk I layout is certainly different, but having spent time with a traditional layout (not on a Wauquiez) and the MK I I would opt for the MK I. I am 6'2" tall and 210 lbs. When I had the vee berth torn apart I really appreciated having a separate cabin and full length and a bit wider aft berth. I sleep like the dead in it. When I am not sleeping in it and it naturally collects clutter it is at least out of sight. And when I invite friends to stay or go cruise, having a separate area for people to have their own space is very nice. It will fit two adults if they like each other. Externally, my instruments are all located on the bulkhead where the companionway would normally make that impossible. I can read all of them from the helm, but ALSO from under the cover of the dodger. That is hugely nice in the PNW. I single handed out in the San Juan Islands last month (January). It was 35 degrees and thankfully no rain. With radar and all my instruments right in front of me it was totally comfortable just keeping watch while the autopilot kept course. Can this be simulated on some standard companionways? Of course. But the MK I leaves me real estate for my traveller lines, mainsheet and winch, VHF Ram mic, binoculars, gloves, chart, AND cup of hot chocolate. I DO have it set up so I can go through the port hole in a pinch or zip out the center dodger window to crawl straight to the Swan hatch if all hell is breaking loose. If it IS that bad then I guess I may ultimately appreciate that the Swan-style hatch basically turns my MK I into a clorox bottle if she rolls.

The downsides of the hatch location and CB (the CB winch is to starboard of the hatch) are that it can be a headache to get in and out of the hatch to the starboard side. My answer to that is generally to always tie port side to. Hence why I practiced spinning the boat when needed. The centralized hatch DOES take up interior space that could be used in the galley. The P.O. added a pop-up counter off the dining settee that I rarely use, but I can see the versatility of it. When I remodeled the galley I went to a smaller single-well sink that I can mostly cover with a cutting board. And the forward facing nav station is two steps away if I need more surface area. If I regularly cooked for for say, three or more, I would likely use the pop up counter more, but in six months mostly solo I have never found myself cursing for more space. Mostly, I think the MK I is one of those things that the first several times it is a hassle. After a week or two it is just how it is. I guess I would say that if one had a significant weight issue or bad knees it might be a hassle. But then, so would sailing.

The Perkins 4-108 was a question so here are my thoughts after near to three years. I overheated it due to pilot error once, but is still runs strong. The boat has a 3-blade Max Prop. I do now "overheat" if I run it full out more than a 45 minutes or so, but in fairness I think that may be that I added an overheat alarm that goes off at 180 degrees after the first mishap. Before that I suspect she was "normally" running at closer to 190 degrees. Other threads dont seem to clearly say what "normal" temperature is for a 4-108. In any event, it doesnt now sky rocket to 210 or anything. It hits 180, the alarm goes off, I throttle back a little and in five minutes it resets and every one is happy. Which ignores the real question and answer: so far (never in open ocean), the Perkins has been strong enough for me. When not fighting a current it is good for continuos 6.5 knots without serious effort or alarms. Against a decent current, 4.5 knots seems the norm for continuous use. I recently asked a good friend who rebuilds City bus diesel engines for a living whether I should rebuild or upgrade. His answer was blunt (we served in the Army together). The polite version was to stick with technology that has worked flawlessly for 30+ years and that I could fix pretty much anywhere in the world without needing electronics or a PhD in mechanical engineering. And that being a Perkins, parts would be available basically for as long as I was alive. He wasn't so much against modern diesels, but as others have said - it is an AUXILIARY engine intended to push a relatively small mass at a relativelly slow speed. His point was the designer felt fine with that engine, it works, and it is simple. Why over-complicate it? Again, he wasn't putting down other engines, just saying to stick with what works. My Perkins works and even outside mechanics have said they could rebuild it for about $8,000. It starts right up even in cold weather once I replaced the odd but effective Perkins pre-heat flame. The next project for the engine will be pulling off the exhaust mixing elbow to check for carbon build up. Otherwise I am happy with it.

Tankage is another area of concern for me. A PO converted one of my two 37 gallon water tanks to diesel. That leaves me plenty of diesel, but light on water tankage. My solution was to add a watermaker and to figure out a way to collect rain water. So far I haven't gone on any long cruises, but it has worked for me to this point. I carry an 8 gallon portable water tank in a storage berth as an emergency back up supply. If I were going to cross an ocean I would either carry Jerry cans or a bladder or both.

This part may be specific to my boat, but the 120 volt wiring was a disaster. As in, "Holy crap you're lucky the boat didn't burn up," bad. It's also why I will never use that particular surveyor again. The boat was originally wired for Europe, so I can't say if this was original duplex wiring or not. The jacketing on mine was coming off like old paper. I have rewired an old farm house and neither me nor the professional marine electrician had ever seen anything like it. First guess would be that it was exposed to some chemical, but as the issue was everywhere - even buried in walls - that seems unlikely unless the spool itself was somehow exposed. The second guess would be somehow carrying very high voltage or a lightening strike, but that would seem more likely to show as melting and this was literally more like the insulation had become dried out paper. Anyway, whatever the cause I would track all of the 120 wire for several feet by hand from the panel and also pull all 120 volt outlets to check it before I bought another. It wouldn't keep me from buying one, but it is a cost and a danger I would want to know about. It took about 40 hours to remove and replace all of it, but that was after several months of actually owning the boat and it mostly sitting in a berth with a space heater running connected to that wiring ...

I may well have been happy with the Tartan 42, but I find the Wauquiez continually surprises me in positive ways other than that wiring. I have no regrets in my choice.

If anyone wants to PM me for more information is fine. The Wauquiez Owner's group and Mike Locatel (Owners Group Host) are the best sources though.

[NormanMartin]

Did you buy Snow Goose? We chartered her out of Bellingham many years ago. Nice boat.

[Elzaar]

No, boat name was Kurukula.

The Hood 38s from that era seem to all be very nice from what I have seen.

[NormanMartin]

Thanks. We enjoyed sailing the boat and the San Juand are beautiful
Keep well and maybe post some pics...?