Hanse 348 (2025) vs HR 36 (1991)

[Sam Woodbridge]

Originally Posted by overbudget

Thank you. May I ask which is the other brand? And which from the most popular mass producing brands are making the most solid hulls in your opinion?

Thank you for asking that question. I was wondering the same thing. As I value Boatpoker’s opinion!

You might have to send him a private message if he doesn’t answer.

[boatpoker]

Bavaria

[overbudget]

Any opinions about this? Do you folks think I could negotiate the price somewhere closer to 30k?

https://www.boat24.com/en/sailingboa...detail/590888/

[DeanK]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Having surveyed around 5,000 boats, there are two newer brands I would not consider. Hanse is one of those two. They seem to me to be built and engineered by people who could not make the grade at Ikea. I am not impressed. When a hull can be flexed by hand while in a cradle (try it on an aft quarter)... no thanks. I have many such examples of what I think makes Hanse a poor long distance cruiser.

That is an interesting post and I am interested to hear some of the boats that you would recommend. What are your three go-to boats that would recommend to Overbudget?

I will be very interested to hey what do you have to say? Because I am only 12 to 18 months away from doing the same thing ... appreciate your reply in advance.

[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by overbudget

Any opinions about this? Do you folks think I could negotiate the price somewhere closer to 30k?

https://www.boat24.com/en/sailingboa...detail/590888/

You mentioned you want to first spend some time in the Med right?

In the Med you want a sugarscoop transom. Or even an open one, or a fold down platform.
You will either moor stern to, or you will anchor, and use a dinghy.

In Northern Europe it is more common for boats to go alongside, and marinas have often finger piers. So there getting on board amidships is normal. But in the med you board from the transom. Imagine you arriving with your groceries and needing to get on board.

Apart from that, this Tayana is a nice boat. I like the open interior. On a small boat you do not want the space to be even further subdivided. But it is a long keeler, and they do manoeuvre well in reverse, which is something you will be needing to do a lot in the Med.

[donradcliffe]

I have not seen a production boat built in the last 15 years that I would buy. When you look at boats, look at construction (glued vs tabbed), look at the materials (real wood vs fiberboard with a plastic laminate cover), look at sharp corners (deadly in a seaway). Look at the size of the windows (strength and need for air conditioning). OTOH, some of the older boats like Pearsons are too heavy and don't sail that well. Good luck in your search.

[overbudget]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

I have not seen a production boat built in the last 15 years that I would buy. When you look at boats, look at construction (glued vs tabbed), look at the materials (real wood vs fiberboard with a plastic laminate cover), look at sharp corners (deadly in a seaway). Look at the size of the windows (strength and need for air conditioning). OTOH, some of the older boats like Pearsons are too heavy and don't sail that well. Good luck in your search.

Thank you. Can you give a couple of examples of boats that would buy? Even if they are 15yo+. What would be your top make/model?

[Happ]

Originally Posted by overbudget

Hmm. I’ve been looking around and the $200k seems doable(see attached). But if needed I can stretch it another $50k

Have you thought about fenders, anchors, autopilots, instruments, windlass, shorepower, solar, dinghy, etc. The list is massive.

[nofacey]

For insurance purposes, you want a boat that is less than 10 yr old, or they will require standing rigging replacement

5 yrs old and used by a loving cruiser would be the seat spot…..no rigging replacement, original owner has eaten a ton of depreciation, and it’ll have basics (anchor, rode, bumpers ++++)
- main sail might be end of life, depending on use/care. Flogging breaks them, sun eats them.

Don’t jump to paid surveyors - they are expensive. Go find a decent source of boats you like, walk the docks, climb aboard boats, get the list down to 3 you really like…then start hunting, and only survey what you are willing to buy. Negotiate price subject to satisfactory survey (hull & mechanical) & sea trials. I’d even pay a sailmaker to hoist & inspect sails.

[Schapera]

It is ALWAYS worth paying a premium to minimise uncertainty. In your case, I would advise purchasing a boat in the size range you have identified but 3-5 years old. NOT ex charter. Keep it SIMPLE. Remember the Med gets hot in summer! Also remember you might have visa issues “SCHENGHEN Shuffle”. Dont rush ANYTHING!

[hukilaumike]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Bavaria

So is Bavaria the other brand that you would steer people away from, or the brand that is making solid hulls? I can guess, but I'd like to be sure.

BTW, I find Boatpoker's input (both here and on Sailnet) to be among the most informative, well-documented and helpful on the site. I wish he had been available to do my last survey....

[markstansfield]

We live on a 385 for 6 months each year in the med. We bought it new and nearly doubled the base price, although it is very well speced. We didn't buy it to live on, but it's the one we have. Hanses are light and quick, very nimble and great fun to sail. But, they need reefing relatively early and don't have much storage compared with a heavier early boat. In the med it's no problem as we can shop once a week. If we were to take it across the Atlantic we would ship it rather than sail it, there is very little space for spare water or a water maker and spare fuel. The longest we managed without a shop is 3 weeks in the red sea and that involved hiding 1.5 litre water bottles everywhere, it's the biggest you can fit under the floor. So as others have said, if you want a quick, nice looking, nice sailing boat for the med the small Hanse is fine. If you want to cruise open oceans I'd go for the older boat. If course bigger hanses have more space and they do cross the seas.

[KevinE]

I am seeing some appalling issues with new boat builds on Youtube. IMO stay away from anything built from the start of COVID to now.

[Statistical]

You aren't getting a new Hanse 348 for $200k much less well equipped for cruising so that isn't even a consideration. The advertised price is the teaser price for a stripped hull. Even modestly well equipped it will be substantially higher. Then again even if you could most new boats having waiting lists.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by hukilaumike

So is Bavaria the other brand that you would steer people away from

I would avoid Bavaria.