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Old 01-06-2017, 17:29   #136
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ituationally appropriate weapons. Or just DON'T GO THERE.

There are VERY few situations, I am sure, in which a yachtsman cannot avoid sailing into the waters in question. Those who do so anyway, IMHO, are comitting the highest level of folly. Particularly so, if the yacht is defended by a single person.


The western Caribbean has several dangerous areas that you really can't avoid. I don't think that a passage through these areas is "the highest level of folly". You can make some choices in route and timing and be pretty safe. Now cruising the Gulf of Fonseca on the west side of CA would be interesting, Olie North country. We were afraid to go in there.

Statistically, I think your chances of attack in the Caribbean are way lower than the Horn of Africa or surrounding seas. I think with some reasonable precautions the risk is acceptable, in the Caribbean. Not exactly a no go zone, at least for the most part.
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Remember a .357 arrives at 3700 ft/sec. The coast guard takes how long??
A.223 does. What .357 goes that fast?
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I think we should be cautious of assuming that there is only one threat.

Being chased down on the open seas may be far less common than being boarded at anchor.
And, according to Noonsite, that does seem to happen on a fairly regular basis.
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A.223 does. What .357 goes that fast?
most .223 does not go that fast. A standard 55gr bullet won't, AFAIK most loads at 55gr are around 3200 at the muzzle. 50 or 100yd downrange, not even.
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most .223 does not go that fast. A standard 55gr bullet won't, AFAIK most loads at 55gr are around 3200 at the muzzle. 50 or 100yd downrange, not even.
Don't know of anything larger than .243 that will go that fast. (243 Winchester @ 55gr will do it.)
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Yes to all the arguments and opinions.. may I chime in and ask for advice and opinion on the topic from another Perspective?

Going about my way from peaceful Johnny Cash noted wisdom, ' don't take take your guns to town Bill leave your guns at home Bill, don't take your guns to town' ie you might and may avoid life threatening situations etc simply by not being armed logic...

However I am wondering how well and easy it would be to avoid law trouble and not get a gun permanently confiscated, if not traveling with lavish possessions or attitude on a well founded sea worthy boat but wanting to keep and carry .357 user changeable barrels from a 2", 4", 6" , 8" barrels simply from a very emergency point of view in that arguably and politely could always be handed over to authorities when it had to but is clearly considered a reasonable tool to have on the boat and so may not become a target for permanent confiscation?
My desires for having it is should I ever really find myself quite stranded and needing to eat, I can hunt pig quite well with an 8" barrel on .357 and or if in remote landfall in areas where large cats or wild boar or poisonous snake etc warrant carrying this with the 4" or 6" barrel and appropriate loads and yes of course the odd situation where you could happen upon the wrong person I suppose depending what reason and and area you might be exploring land..
And in addition simply yes having a snub nosed close quarters personal protection aboard while mooring or docking etc be it in the US or somewhere they haven't taken it off me in the same way we'd ll keep a gun by the bed in an emergency situation of an armed petty but potentially violent B&E Robbery?
I realise I'm kind of bringing a back country mountain guide attitude to Island and continent exploring, but For these reasons I can't justify not bringing it, nor even keeping it well and deeply hidden and making a judgement call as to when and how to declare it based on the situation and willingness later to go thru the risk and negotiations of asking forgiveness over permission should I ever make the wrong call and how deep they'd dig and at the end of the day be willing to suffer the consequences?
Lots of separate details here but Feedback?
If I had the option, I suppose one long range carbine w optics for the very same reasons I would love to carry but would probably not even bother.

P.S. let's not forget a very worst case scenario either that one may be badly injured or facing something even worse and would be handy if ending ones own suffering early ever became a choice you wish you had a pistol for?
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most .223 does not go that fast. A standard 55gr bullet won't, AFAIK most loads at 55gr are around 3200 at the muzzle. 50 or 100yd downrange, not even.
Yeah, you're right.
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If I remember correctly my 22-250 loads are about 4,000 FPS with a 55 gr, and a 220 Swift is at least as fast.
Not sure any of the sporting cartridges are any or much faster than a 22-250 or 220 Swift.
3700 is fast for a factory load of anything
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Here are some alternatives that won't get you in trouble with the law in most cases:

1. Bow and arrow. Not kidding, today's bows and crossbows are pretty damned powerful. Plus you can use them to go bowfishing.

2. Wasp spray. They are almost as noxious as pepper spray and powerful enough to hit 20 feet away.

3. Carry a non-firing replica. A shotgun that is designed to look realistic but not fire will probably be legal in most places while still acting as a deterrent.

4. Someone mentioned flare guns. That is one possibility, but if I understand correctly, some countries have banned those too, like the British Virgin Islands and the Bahamas.

5. Don't go anywhere near Somalia!! Apparently piracy is way down compared to years ago, but it's still a huge risk.

Why do people spread the wasp spray myth
Please don't put yourself in that danger
It does not work

https://youtu.be/9Uy9MnQfk_0
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Why do people spread the wasp spray myth
Please don't put yourself in that danger
It does not work

https://youtu.be/9Uy9MnQfk_0
Wow. I knew wasp spray wasn't as good as pepper spray, but I didn't realize that it was so benign. I hope those counting on wasp spray as a defensive weapon take heed, and get proper pepper spray instead. (where legal). I think maybe the urban myth originates from the very nice relatively long range stream that most brands of wasp spray produce.

Now, if your assailant happens to be a wasp, You are good to go.
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Why do people spread the wasp spray myth
Please don't put yourself in that danger
It does not work

https://youtu.be/9Uy9MnQfk_0


1. It's not a myth. You can use it for self-defense. That video is just busting the myth that wasp spray was as good as pepper spray, something I never claimed.

2. That video is basically a promotion for purchasing Saber pepper spray products, so take it with a little grain of salt.

Wasp spray has better range than pepper spray, and is better than nothing:
Snopes: Wasp Spray for Self-Defense?

But why choose between the two? You can carry both.
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Hey guys don't give ISIS new ideas!
As a WASP, I hate being sprayed by anything! [emoji1]
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Here is one that evidently carries weapons on board to defend his family and his Freedom.

No judgement from me, its his choice and his right.

Although I don't see the logic in the fact that he infringes the laws of other countries and the freedom of its citizens.

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Although I don't see the logic in the fact that he infringes the laws of other countries and the freedom of its citizens.
Infringes the laws, certainly.

But while there actions one might take with a firearm that might infringe upon the freedom of another, the simple act of carrying a firearm cannot do so.
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