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Old 20-09-2016, 10:54   #31
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We had hull number 1. Named it Cygnus. Bought it in 1997 for 85k put in about 40k. Cruised from San Fran to New Zealand from 97 to 2000. Ketch rigged, 2 cabin, heavy and reliable. We had our two kids aboard who were 8 and 11 when we left. This boat does NOT go to weather well, but sailing downwind in the trades we used the jib and mizzen all the time. Sold it in NZ for 115k. Flew home. Great boat, great trip.

Beth and would highly recommend this boat, provided you understand its limitations to weather. As to the survey it's like buying insurance how much risk are you either comfortable with or can you afford. Even with a survey, if you absolutely can't take the potential hit, stay away. Go smaller or newer.

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I always wondered what happened to Hull #1. It just kinda dropped off the face of the world.

I keep a list of GS50 (which is far form complete). If you had any photos of Cygnus that you could share it would be welcome. Photos give me ideas on what to do with my boat (hull #3)
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Old 28-09-2016, 15:19   #32
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We had hull number 1. Named it Cygnus. Bought it in 1997 for 85k put in about 40k. Cruised from San Fran to New Zealand from 97 to 2000. Ketch rigged, 2 cabin, heavy and reliable. We had our two kids aboard who were 8 and 11 when we left. This boat does NOT go to weather well, but sailing downwind in the trades we used the jib and mizzen all the time. Sold it in NZ for 115k. Flew home. Great boat, great trip.

Beth and would highly recommend this boat, provided you understand its limitations to weather. As to the survey it's like buying insurance how much risk are you either comfortable with or can you afford. Even with a survey, if you absolutely can't take the potential hit, stay away. Go smaller or newer.

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Thanks for the info. But when you say "it does not go to weather well", what specifically are its handicaps? Is it dangerous, or just difficult to handle?
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Old 28-09-2016, 15:27   #33
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Re: Gulfstar 50 Delamination

looks like someone reniged on the last auction, it's up on eBay again.

15k last I looked.
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Old 28-09-2016, 16:33   #34
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More than one must have reneged, according to the auction staff if the top bidder backs out they offer it to the #2, and so on. Wondering what the issue here is - if its delam or just finding berthing space on short notice.
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Old 28-09-2016, 16:54   #35
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Big job re-laminating Not for the faint hearted
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Old 28-09-2016, 16:56   #36
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More than one must have reneged, according to the auction staff if the top bidder backs out they offer it to the #2, and so on. Wondering what the issue here is - if its delam or just finding berthing space on short notice.
My old marina, I doubt it's a berthing space issue.
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Old 28-09-2016, 17:10   #37
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Interesting and very short survey. Suffice to say I would have expected far more commentary and description.

I know it was surveyed within a year prior, I think that survey is quoted up thread somewhere.

None the less, the Owner turned down a $35kish offer a bit ago, with Delam known about. So the boats with something. I think someone will get a good deal.

It's interesting how much surveys can vary. How much surveyors look at different things.

To the OP, if he is still around, who was asking about finding Delam in a survey, I think the answer s it depends upon the surveyor. I don't really know a good way to select a surveyor. I've had good and bad. Some plain bad. Maybe it pays to ask for a couple of past surveys to get some idea of what he does for the money.
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Old 28-09-2016, 23:50   #38
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SagHarbor, The Gulfstar 50 has a long shallow keel and a skeg hung rudder. As a result of this and the wide jib sheeting angle she does not point well up into the wind. If you're on a lee shore in a storm and don't point to weather well that could be less safe. We just worked to avoid that situation. A big heavy boat could also be considered safer in other situations.


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Old 29-09-2016, 06:59   #39
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It's listed by boatangelministries now so it appears the owner donated it for a tax write off. I wouldn't go near this boat.
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Old 29-09-2016, 08:40   #40
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It's listed by boatangelministries now so it appears the owner donated it for a tax write off. I wouldn't go near this boat.
I would go near it. For the twin poles and sails to go with them lol.
If you have the skills this could be a decent boat.
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Old 29-09-2016, 11:25   #41
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Re: Gulfstar 50 Delamination

If you've never done glass work this is not a boat for you.
If on the other you have, and you have few years to spend, affordable storage place that allows diy work then that "delamination" (which I believe is merely osmosis) you could peel the affected layers and reglass and barrier coat. But if you have to let a yard do it at 100 bucks an hour per worker its not worth it. Instead of the spot grinding and filling that has been done I'd get one of these or similar

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I'd be more concerned about the condition of the engine and generator, fuel and water tanks and electrical systems than osmosis.
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One day left. Anyone here bidding? If sold I'd love to hear more about this one.. Imho the attached insurance survey is next to useless.

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Here is another one in the bargain bin . . . .

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That second boat sank 2' or thereabouts.

If the sails are any good on the second boat buy that also. The first one needs it.
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It has been a while since the days of the Gulfstar "peeler" issues. The photos in post #35 are consistent with the conditions of the typical 70's early 80's era Gulfstar veil coat & laminate repairs. While their cause & driving forces were slightly different than the typical blistering of the era, in some ways, their repair was much easier as they peeled so darn easy. In the 80's & upper Chesapeake, Ted Downey of Seaside Boat Works exceeded in those repairs. Should someone truly interested in that boat & repairs, the area is blessed with many excellent laminators trained years ago by Dave Lennox, one of the best. His son, Mark Lennox, is in that area, just down the road & works out of Duffy Creek. Alternately, Osprey Marine Composites.
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