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Old 12-04-2021, 14:01   #31
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Re: Fin keel or Full keel...

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Despite the thread, following all the deliberations, I am currently in the market for a Hobie 16. I'll be sailing that around the lakes here for the next few years. Then... Well, I have no idea about 'then.' What I know is I wanna start sailing this season somehow.

Apart from the short term plan, after researching the sailboats and having fun here, I grew liking to: 1190 sport, 105MC, Catalina 22 w/retractable, Precision 23, First 27 SE, way different than what I though I 'shall' like - No full keels, no fin keels, only a bunch of small retractable keel monohulls and a couple of catamarans, all over the place.

When I move by the ocean, I'll possibly find something like Catalina 22 Sport and sail it for years before I even consider anything bigger. After all is said and done, I shall have an idea about what I want to do with a sailboat. If I'll only be a daysailor and enjoy races and such, a bigger daysailor / racer monohull may be a good next boat. If my other half and I decide to live onboard and also end up with some extra funds, a catamaran with good sailing habits might be a breezy fun sailboat.

All those comparisons and discussions have been a blast, but a novice with no experience like me will not know what to do with the info. Right now, I'm experiencing one disappointment after another everytime I drive to see a dinghy I found online. Hobie 16 at the top of the list, but I'm okay with a Laser or a Sunfish - what ever I can find in good condition. One guy was selling a Sunfish with a big hole on the hull. It was not a sailboat, actually, it was a hole and a Sunfish built around it - as if the poor sailboat was thrown onto a telephone pole or something. Another guy asked $5500 for a 2015 Hobie Wave; I laughed, laughed, and laughed. I'll eventually find something reasonable to start the fun with...

Anyhow... Sorry about the poll!?
The Hobie 16 will teach you plenty.

I owned and raced two of them then bought larger Nacras later with spinnakers plus daggerboards for better pointing. I did this from 1992- 2006.

With a sail area to displacement ratio of almost 75, you learn or you will swim!

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/hobie-16

Did you know the first few Worrell 1000's were sailed on the Hobie 16?

This was a race from Ft Lauderdale, FL to Virginia Beach, VA all in the Atlantic Ocean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worrel...20to%20Florida.

Then later moved up to the Nacra 6.0 then the Inter 20.

Hobie 16's are still the most ever sold beach cat though. Check this video. They still race them everywhere and some of the best sailors will come race

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Re: Fin keel or Full keel...

Keels donít determine performance as much as say sail area / displacement or the various other ratios used.

I care more about comfort ratios than I do design features.

That being said, I donít think high aspect fin keels really belong on cruising boats. I am not a huge fan of spade rudders, and like having a bit more protection for my prop, but I am willing to trade a bit of performance for these things.

Everything on a boat is a compromise, but I would advise against skewing any of those compromises to an extreme unless youíre very experienced to know exactly what you want.
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The Hobie 16 will teach you plenty.
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This was a race from Ft Lauderdale, FL to Virginia Beach, VA all in the Atlantic Ocean.
If I can find one, it'll be great. I'm even considering a Hobie Wave; it seems to sail pretty good too and appears to be a better one for single handed fun. At this point any dinghy will do. If I cannot find one dirt cheap, then I might build a sailing canoe for this season. I'll figure something out before it comes to that though.

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Re: Fin keel or Full keel...

Two more favorite boats of mine that I forgot to mention, Corsair 880 and Seacraft 31 - again two sailboats on the extreme ends. At least one fin keel is added to the daydream list!? But how can a newbie know which one will suit the best without test sailing it, knowing where will the sailing happen, or having a clue about what to do sailing wise? I guess from know on, I'll only investigate sailing dingies - for the next couple of years!
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Two more favorite boats of mine that I forgot to mention, Corsair 880 and Seacraft 31 - again two sailboats on the extreme ends. At least one fin keel is added to the daydream list!? But how can a newbie know which one will suit the best without test sailing it, knowing where will the sailing happen, or having a clue about what to do sailing wise? I guess from know on, I'll only investigate sailing dingies - for the next couple of years!
Do you have a yacht club, where you can go out for their casual races? People will often take inexperienced crew, as long as youíre timely. The boats normally leave on a rigid schedule, and will leave without a full compliment of crew if they must.
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Do you have a yacht club, where you can go out for their casual races? People will often take inexperienced crew, as long as youíre timely. The boats normally leave on a rigid schedule, and will leave without a full compliment of crew if they must.
Considering that, upto Covid though.
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The yachties I’ve talked to on the subject feel that being away from everyone else while out on the water is social distance enough. This will vary from club to club I’m sure though.

As one person put it, sailors are an interesting and freedom loving type - not easily subjected by the whims of society.
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The yachties Iíve talked to on the subject feel that being away from everyone else while out on the water is social distance enough. This will vary from club to club Iím sure though.

As one person put it, sailors are an interesting and freedom loving type - not easily subjected by the whims of society.
I, personally, would avoid any unessential socializing for another few months.
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Re: Fin keel or Full keel...

next person to pose a keel question gets "keelhauled"...
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I, personally, would avoid any unessential socializing for another few months.
Then I suppose youíll have the opportunity to get your answer in another few months.
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Then I suppose youíll have the opportunity to get your answer in another few months.
I don't want an answer. I want a Hobie 16.
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I don't want an answer. I want a Hobie 16.
Then why bother with the askiní?
Also, is that just so when youíre keelhauled itís manageable?
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Then why bother with the askiní?
Also, is that just so when youíre keelhauled itís manageable?
Which question are you talking about?
I have no idea what your second sentence mean?
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If I can find one, it'll be great. I'm even considering a Hobie Wave; it seems to sail pretty good too and appears to be a better one for single handed fun. At this point any dinghy will do. If I cannot find one dirt cheap, then I might build a sailing canoe for this season. I'll figure something out before it comes to that though.

https://youtu.be/SbYkm4eIoDc
https://youtu.be/fV-7tmZXHh0
Those videos are of toy boats. Any child can sail them in an hour.

You can buy a Hobie 16's starting at $500 and they will still sail close to 26 knots in the right conditions and can handle huge waves to about 8' or so...................but the Hobie wave even a new one could never do that

https://norfolk.craigslist.org/boa/d...277343346.html

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Re: Fin keel or Full keel...

I agree the Hobie 16 is a really great boat, IMHO the Wave is more in the toy category. Well I guess they are all toys at some level. However, I have had a lot of fun on a wave at some Caribbean resorts that have them as beach rentals, when it was the only game in town.

I got my first H16 in about 1980, it was in the Gonzo Colour scheme. My first Hobie was a 14 in the Tequila Sunrise colour scheme that I got in the late 70s. That boat was a real bitch to Tack in high winds. The 16 is the boat that Ďwoní me my first, and and still only wife, back in 1982. I think I got her on her first Pitch-Pole, good thing she was out on the trapeze and missed the rigging and the mast on her way into the water. That particular boat still is alive and sailing today, I sold it to a neighbour about 15 years back. Great memories.

Getting back the OPís question/pole there is no right nor wrong or no good nor bad. Other than my small sports cats and Laserís etc, my bigger displacements boats have been some sort of fin Keel.

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