Fin keel or Full keel...

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Full

Mike,

How much did you pay for your good looking boat?

Thanks Full, she is a looker . I paid $55,000 back in 2009, just after the crash. It had come down quite a bit in price.

Another thing to consider about full-keel boats; yes, they manoeuvre like trains, but they are also more resistant to lateral forces, so winds in an anchorage are less problematic.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Full

At the moment, the poll says 44 to 32 in favor of full keels over fin keels. I don't know how to interpret the results..

It is meaningless really if you don't understand who is on CF

[lyl]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

It is meaningless really if you don't understand who is on CF

I wouldn't call 78 users sharing their votes as meaningless.

[lyl]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Thanks Full, she is a looker . I paid $55,000 back in 2009, just after the crash. It had come down quite a bit in price.

Another thing to consider about full-keel boats; yes, they manoeuvre like trains, but they are also more resistant to lateral forces, so winds in an anchorage are less problematic.

Man, a lot of money. Why was it that expensive?

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Full

Man, a lot of money. Why was it that expensive?

That was a good deal back then. Usually sold for closer to $80k. Most still list in that neighbourhood, so not expensive. I saw one listed recently for $200k+.


Or, I guess I should really say, you get what you pay for. Quality boats cost real money.

[lyl]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

That was a good deal back then. Usually sold for closer to $80k. Most still list in that neighbourhood, so not expensive. I saw one listed recently for $200k+.


Or, I guess I should really say, you get what you pay for. Quality boats cost real money.

$200k??? Wow! Yeah, you had a great deal then. Enjoy.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by Full

I wouldn't call 78 users sharing their votes as meaningless.

Well maybe not meaningless. How about; no real conclusion about boat design can be determined by 78 votes on a forum known to be stuck in designs from 30+ years ago and applied to the overall millions of sailboat owners/users.

[lyl]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

Well maybe not meaningless. How about; no real conclusion about boat design can be determined by 78 votes on a forum known to be stuck in designs from 30+ years ago and applied to the overall millions of sailboat owners/users.

And I also think folks voted for full keel considering the used sailboat market prices. Majority of the full keels are old, so generally cheaper.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Full

And I also think folks voted for full keel considering the used sailboat market prices. Majority of the full keels are old, so generally cheaper.

If you look at the voters you'll find that in the main they're all the regular posters and maybe 1 lurker..

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

Well maybe not meaningless. How about; no real conclusion about boat design can be determined by 78 votes on a forum known to be stuck in designs from 30+ years ago and applied to the overall millions of sailboat owners/users.

Have to agree with SB1 here, Full. I strongly suspect that if you had made the same poll on Sailing Anarchy that the results would have been skewed way in the opposite direction. CF has IMO a disproportionate load of conservative members (boat wise, not politically), and is not at all representative of the general sailing population even in the States, let alone Europe.

Jim

[dfelsent]

So my boat is neither fin nor full. I posted about that earlier on this thread. I believe the poll question is a classic false dichotomy.
I’ve thoroughly enjoyed sailing on boats with full keels, fin keels, wing keels, canting keels, dagger boards , centerboards, keel/centerboards, no keels, stub keels, and more No bilge keels or foils yet.
Fin/full is not the real choice. You may notice that only two of the dozen or so above are in the poll.
So the results are meaningless to me.
The discussion has been interesting though.

[coopec43]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Great till you have to manouver in a tight marina on a windy day, that was when on a delivery of an Oceanis 331 with twin rudders I was very relieved the previous owner had installed a bow thruster.. rudders had next to no control at low speed under power.
And in a really strong wind even the thrusters no help.

I sailed a few times (socially) on a 60ft racing yacht. The crew used to sail the yacht into the pen because it didn't have a motor!

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Have to agree with SB1 here, Full. I strongly suspect that if you had made the same poll on Sailing Anarchy that the results would have been skewed way in the opposite direction. CF has IMO a disproportionate load of conservative members (boat wise, not politically), and is not at all representative of the general sailing population even in the States, let alone Europe.

Could be. Although this begs the question, why?

I suspect that a lot of people don't actually know what a full keel boat is. Or rather, a lot of boats that are called "full keels" really aren't.

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Could be. Although this begs the question, why?

I suspect that a lot of people don't actually know what a full keel boat is. Or rather, a lot of boats that are called "full keels" really aren't.

I too suspect that most folks here call anything with the rudder attached to the aft end of the keel a "full keel" design. And the degree of cutaway on the fore part of the hull spans the spectrum of almost none (like the Rafiki) to ones where the vestigial "full" keel looks like a fin with the rudder stuck on the back.

As to the "why?"... I dunno, Mike, but from my experience and reading, the fetish for "full" keels doesn't exist in other countries so much, and not with all Yanks either. Perhaps it is associated with eating corn flakes for brekkie instead of Vegemite on toast... who knows?

Jim

[Sailmonkey]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

?

I suspect that a lot of people don't actually know what a full keel boat is. Or rather, a lot of boats that are called "full keels" really aren't.

I suspect there is a lot of that.

I’ve had friends complain how difficult their full keel boat is to dock. They have a long fin, but think it’s full because it’s not a skinny little fun.

I normally roll my eyes and say OK.

Although our boat has a chunk missing near the pointy end to be a true full keel either.