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Old 01-07-2019, 23:54   #1066
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Re: Ferro Cement Hulls ?

Just thought I'd mentioned that Edward William is definitely insuring Ferro boats. I have just purchased a Wilf O'Kell design in Kangaroo Island and have spoken to Edward William agents in both Australia and NZ. I really liked the guy in New Zealand Dr. Brian Hepburn of Home - Insurance Marine Online. He has an amazing amount of experience with Ferro boats and had a great long conversation with him.
He also told me that he has personally visited the Edward William offices in Spain and know the team personally. Just thought I would share and a good excuse to keep these interesting thread open.
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Just on Edward William, not sure about Marinas in other Australian states but a number in Queensland are now refusing to accept vessels covered by them, Bundaberg Port Marina where my vessel is sent out a memo early last year stating such.

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April 2018 - Bundaberg Port Marina will no longer be accepting vessels covered by Edward William/Northernreef insurance, for customers that already have a policy with Edward William/Northernreef, when it comes time to renew vessel owners should seek other insurance providers......
One of my neighbors had a policy with EW and contacted them about the issue, they returned with a reply confirming that they are aware of the move but there is nothing they can do about it....

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Thank you for your e-mail. I am very sorry to hear that you won’t be continuing your cover through ourselves. Unfortunately, there are one or two marinas in Queensland that now insist on an Australian based Insurer for whom they offer cover, so in this case our hands are tied. Thank you for your custom over the past years and we wish you all the best for the future.

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So if anyone has a policy with EW, and are heading up Queensland way, phone a head first if you plan on staying in any Marinas, it may save you a bit a grief
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:37   #1068
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So if anyone has a policy with EW, and are heading up Queensland way, phone a head first if you plan on staying in any Marinas, it may save you a bit a grief
Thanks IslandHopper,

Yes I knew about this, they agents and insurance were pretty upfront with me. about that marina. they never mentioned any others.

Kind of weird. Edward William insurance has been around for so long. You just need to scroll through the numerous forums that have given them a mention over the years. They're still around, they are still contactable, via all the modern methods including phone and social media. You would think if they were that bad they would have ceased to exist many decades ago. Both agents I spoke are reputable people with reputable businesses in Australia and NZ. I doubt they would associate with Edward William if they never paid up.
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Forgot to ask. Were you affected by this decision? If so, did you find other insurance?

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Forgot to ask. Were you affected by this decision? If so, did you find other insurance?

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No not me, i just helped out one of my neighbors who was with EW find another insurer, ended up insuring with Nautilus.
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No not me, i just helped out one of my neighbors who was with EW find another insurer, ended up insuring with Nautilus.
Was it also a ferro boat?
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Was it also a ferro boat?
It's Timber.....
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I had liability insurance with no problem in US
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Just wondering if there is anybody or proper companies making Ferro hulls or complete sailboats 40-100 feet long?
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Just wondering if there is anybody or proper companies making Ferro hulls or complete sailboats 40-100 feet long?
Where are you located? . Sorry can't see your profile on my phone.
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Where are you located? . Sorry can't see your profile on my phone.
Currently living in Ontario, Canada.
From having lived in Australia, PNG.
Before that U.K.
Travelled between them all by boat.
Have been to much of USA.

I am curious as to current building, design activities and techniques.
Since most of what was built that is "available" is from the 70's & 80's.

Lots of technological improvements in 40-50 years.
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had Transpac Alden Malabar before and imported Jeanneau Bénéteau Feeling
59 also was a commercial ferro builder in the 70s
Ferro cement makes the best cruising boats and do not sink faster than the rest of the crafts
Any one with a bit of boat design knowledge is able to state that boats with the same displacement sink at the same rate, therefore a timber boat is no better in sinking performance lots of ignorance not dissipating since the 70s so to make it clear, lets say that any ferrocement selling for less than 2000 dollars a foot is a pile of rubbish or has a cash strapped owner whose wife is already gone
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SAMSON OWNER
20 years live aboard,
had Transpac Alden Malabar before and imported Jeanneau Bénéteau Feeling
59 also was a commercial ferro builder in the 70s
Ferro cement makes the best cruising boats and do not sink faster than the rest of the crafts
Any one with a bit of boat design knowledge is able to state that boats with the same displacement sink at the same rate, therefore a timber boat is no better in sinking performance lots of ignorance not dissipating since the 70s so to make it clear, lets say that any ferrocement selling for less than 2000 dollars a foot is a pile of rubbish or has a cash strapped owner whose wife is already gone
Hartley Tahitian - 8 years. Great having a worry-free hull.

I'm pretty sure high labor costs are why they are not being built anymore. Lots of 40 to 50 year olds still good cruising yachts.
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had Transpac Alden Malabar before and imported Jeanneau Bénéteau Feeling
59 also was a commercial ferro builder in the 70s
Ferro cement makes the best cruising boats and do not sink faster than the rest of the crafts
Any one with a bit of boat design knowledge is able to state that boats with the same displacement sink at the same rate,
The sink rate is definitely dependant on breach size aperture as well. Much of that is determined by material, bulkheads and other hull reinforcments.
Sinking aside. Fire is the greatest fear of loss. Fiberglass doesn't withstand fire well nor low to medium momentum collisions, nor hard groundings. Steel handles fire better than most but tears majorly in collisions and or with rough hard subsurface groundings. Ferro handles fire well, collisions & groundings because of its tendancy to fail in a flexible fabric state. It does become porous from the cracking but actual aperture size is small...Unlike the others Ferro can be temporarily patched underwater..Steel needs specialized equipment that needs power.
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