Damage at the boat yard. I feel bad for this boat.

[Atcowboy]

I have a feeling that the boat used to be a hank on, and when the furler was installed they didn't attach it the same way. Whoops.

The foil had several bends in it. My guess is it could never really be properly tensioned and got bent over and over again in use. I'm sure the yard had nothing to do with this.

- AT

[captlloyd]

Originally Posted by Atcowboy

I have a feeling that the boat used to be a hank on, and when the furler was installed they didn't attach it the same way. Whoops.

The foil had several bends in it. My guess is it could never really be properly tensioned and got bent over and over again in use. I'm sure the yard had nothing to do with this.

- AT

Agreed. I don’t see how you could blame the marina with the amount of information given by the OP.

[chasfgr]

Slovenly yard, took the forestay down to get their sling-cradle round the boat and then couldn't get ir back on the correct forestay tang.
Perhaps just acceaptable on a keel-stepped mast, but not for most boats.
For that reason I always rig the spinnake halyard tight, when having the boat moved - the backstay always has to disconect, OK if the main halyard is connected and tensioned, but not Ok otherwise - and mine is a 7/8 rig, keel-stepped, unlike most cruisers with masthead rig on a coachroof base.
Even worse is when the yard leave the forestay whipping in the wind, which is also not unknown.

[Atcowboy]

Originally Posted by chasfgr

Slovenly yard, took the forestay down to get their sling-cradle round the boat and then couldn't get ir back on the correct forestay tang.
Perhaps just acceaptable on a keel-stepped mast, but not for most boats.
For that reason I always rig the spinnake halyard tight, when having the boat moved - the backstay always has to disconect, OK if the main halyard is connected and tensioned, but not Ok otherwise - and mine is a 7/8 rig, keel-stepped, unlike most cruisers with masthead rig on a coachroof base.
Even worse is when the yard leave the forestay whipping in the wind, which is also not unknown.

No it doesn't. Wrong. I've never seen a single stay removed by the yard to move any boats.

Do you get ALL your exercise by jumping to conclusions?

- AT

[cottonsail]

Originally Posted by Atcowboy

No it doesn't. Wrong. I've never seen a single stay removed by the yard to move any boats.

Do you get ALL your exercise by jumping to conclusions?

- AT

When the travel lift is too short I've seen yards dropping a headstay or backstay. Green Cove Springs boat yard comes to mind. They had to drop my backstay to fit the lift. The boat is only 33'.

[rslifkin]

I've seen the yard where I keep my boat drop a backstay if they can't get a boat far enough into the lift. But it's always their rigging guy doing it, not just any yard guy.

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by Wotname

It clearly states it is flexible...

Probably sailed the Kit out of it that way.
Sad day for this vessel.
SV Cloud Duster

[Boatyarddog]

Originally Posted by Atcowboy

No it doesn't. Wrong. I've never seen a single stay removed by the yard to move any boats.

Do you get ALL your exercise by jumping to conclusions?

- AT

I've had to back my Ketch into a shallow haul out and lower the mizzen topping lift to accomadate the travel lift slings.
Depends, just ask you travel lift driver.
He'll tell you the best way he knows, to lift your vessel.
Now since your the Captain, you should know the best way to lift.
SV Cloud Duster

[JPA Cate]

Atcowboy,

We have occasionally had to remove a stay to be hauled out. But one wouldn't leave it like that. You remove the sail first, ease off the back stay, and do what you have to do to disconnect the furler from the forestay, slack it all, and tie it off out of the way. Normally it is done under control.

My guess would be someone else did it, then brought the boat to the yard for the repairs. One often sees damaged boats awaiting repair, especially in places where there are many possible repairers, so one can get a few local estimates.

Then, after you are launched, you have to go out and re-tune the whole rig. It is always a major effort to get it just right again.

Ann

[RaymondR]

Someone did the owner a favor.

They can now get it fixed properly and the next time he goes out and has the main sheeted in hard and is driving into a bit of a sea the forestay wont pull out and drop the mast onto the helmsmans head.

[skipgundlach]

Originally Posted by JPA Cate

Atcowboy,

We have occasionally had to remove a stay to be hauled out. But one wouldn't leave it like that. You remove the sail first, ease off the back stay, and do what you have to do to disconnect the furler from the forestay, slack it all, and tie it off out of the way. Normally it is done under control.

My guess would be someone else did it, then brought the boat to the yard for the repairs. One often sees damaged boats awaiting repair, especially in places where there are many possible repairers, so one can get a few local estimates.

Then, after you are launched, you have to go out and re-tune the whole rig. It is always a major effort to get it just right again.

Ann

Fortunately for us, we have not had to pull the forestay often.

However, our swamping on the way into Beaufort NC (during the runup to Iaias) and subsequent yard stay (Jarret Bay Boat Works) led to multiple disconnections in the course of the time we were there (every time they moved us the forestay had to be removed). I had marked, with both tape and sharpie-marker (tape on top/bottom marking how far the turnbuckle came up/down the threads, and marker on the threads once loosened in case the tape wound up buggered over time) the place where the turnbuckle tightened to. However, even very loose, getting the forestay, complete with furler, reattached to the bow chainplate, was a real wrestling match. That part aside, retuning the rig was simply a matter of tightening the backstay to the previous level. But that wrestling match to get the forestay/furler back on...

Duh. We have two preventers aboard!

We used our preventer to easily pull it stable (nothing more than maneuvering side-to-side with no particular effort), remounted the tang and receiver with the clevis, and untensioned the preventer.

This is not the first time we've had to pull the forestay - but it will be the last we ever have to wrestle with it...

Getting it back on was an adventure until I figured it out.

[lo2jones]

Originally Posted by Atcowboy

I couldn't find anything about the chainplate (from the outside) that made me think there was something wrong with it (and thus couldn't be used). Someone tried very hard to mess this up...

- AT

In case no one else has IDd it: it’s called a stem fitting and yes, absolutely, the forstay should be attached to it. A good rigger can design one for you, or just look around at other boats and have someone fabricate something. It should go through the hull and up in line with the forstay.

Larry

[Linesledaft]

Originally Posted by cottonsail

What boat yard? Reminds me of my experiences with Indiantown marina service dept.

Don't remind me of that place...

[Ryan]

Could be worse, I once saw a brand new, just off the ship, Tayana 37 get lifted out of the water with one of the travel lift straps under the prop shaft. The stern tube/cutlass bearing was displaced several inches upwards which is seldom good for engine alignment, or hull integrity.

[RaymondR]

I gave up taking off the forestay after my first travel lift experience, what do you do with it after it's off and there were some nasty greasy looking hoist wires on the travel lift getting close to my furled sail.

I now always take the back stays off after attaching all available halyards to the boom at the main sheet attachment point and pulling the boom down very tight. I also attach the genoa sheets to the back stays and haul them tight with the winches. However it does require one to reverse into the slot which can be a bit of a pain.