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Old 25-06-2015, 06:17   #31
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if looking at trawlers: Nordhavn .. I saw one anchored at Clearwater last week .. such a handsome boat.
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Old 25-06-2015, 08:07   #32
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Excellent article on selecting an offshore capable vessel by Mahina Expedition author. Go talk to him with a list of specific must have features and would like to haves.
The article also has a good list of potential vessels to consider. Find half a dozen that really appeal to you, check them out thoroughly and talk to owners who have actually taken their vessels offshore. Good Luck in your search... Phil
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Old 25-06-2015, 09:05   #33
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We bought an Outbound in 2009, and have sailed on lots of blue water with her. She's taken good care of us.

I am not sure what you mean about the 10% duty? We didn't pay any duty, and the price we were quoted was for delivery in the Chesapeake. The workmanship and materials on this boat are outstanding. And the price is quite favorable vs. boats made in Europe. We are very happy owners.
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Old 25-06-2015, 09:08   #34
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I know I'm going to get flamed for this heresy. I just visited the Jeanneau/Beneteau production facility in Marion, South Carolina, USA, and spent an hour in my 409 then under construction. My broker, an experienced open ocean sailor. I now know exactly how my boat is constructed, and I will have no qualms about crossing oceans on her. Reading that blue water boat article referenced earlier in this thread, the Jeanneau 409 hits all the criteria. For what I was able to spend, a brand new, fast and stable boat was the best option, by far. What the article said is true, there are very few used boats in this class less than 10 years old.

So simply suggest you not rule out this nice, American made cruiser. The Beneteau Oceanis series, not so much. Different boats. First series, maybe, but less comfortable.
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Old 25-06-2015, 09:51   #35
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Don't know why a one off (ALL Metal boats are one offs, Topper Hermanson "All metal boats are hull number one") unless you wan t new. I'd go to yacthworld and look at metal MOST are heavy Blue water like my Ted Brewer Kingsland Russ
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Old 25-06-2015, 10:16   #36
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Why restricting to N America!?

Anyway, in terms of seaworthiness (?? Ahahaaaahhhh ??)...

1/3 is design/make
1/3 is the way you rig, fit, and keep the gear
1/3 is your sea-prowess
I would consider Wauquiez, Baltic, Najad rather than HR
Any old Swan, and Andersen in USA on top of Hinckley and IP

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We bought an Outbound in 2009, and have sailed on lots of blue water with her. She's taken good care of us.

I am not sure what you mean about the 10% duty? We didn't pay any duty, and the price we were quoted was for delivery in the Chesapeake. The workmanship and materials on this boat are outstanding. And the price is quite favorable vs. boats made in Europe. We are very happy owners.
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The 10% duty is for a non NAFTA boat being imported into Canada. Then you add provincial sales tax and GST on to that
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I just happen to know where there is first class 1993 IP44 for sale....s great blue water boat
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Old 25-06-2015, 11:31   #39
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We have an Island Packet sailboat, which have a top of the line reputation as super well made, bluewater cruiser sailboats. They are manufactured in St. Petersburg, Fla. They are gorgeous and very safe--pretty sail slowly, but steady as she goes!
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I just happen to know where there is first class 1993 IP44 for sale....s great blue water boat
Thanks but I am not interested in anything older than ten years and am hoping to stay with something less than 5 years old.
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The definition of what is a bluewater boat is pretty vague but assuming it is a strong boat with the ability to cross oceans with ease and a high stability I would chose the Bluejacket 40 if i had to chose an American boat. There is however not so expensive European alternatives with similar built and sailing characteristics, like the Arcona.

Even among bluewater boats, as defined, you can chose among very different types of boats that will match your sailing and living style preferences.
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I'd definetly recommend the Gozzard. They are built in Canada and get to the US under NATA so no duty. US dollar is stronger than Canadian and that helps in the labor cost, but the majority of the material is US sourced so no exchange savings there. They are semi-custom and I had mine built 17 years ago. Not the fastest boat out there but definetly not the slowest either. Fantastic sea keeping capabilities, EXTREMLY comfortable and beautifully appointed. They are specifically designed for a couple. A great place to call your home away from home. Talk to Mike Gozzard.
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If you are looking for a boat to circumnavigate the coconut run, you can buy in Euro land which should be bargain priced and therefore the 10% is not an issue

You could look at boats from these companies

Bavaria
Jeanneau
Benneteau
Salona
Hanse
Dufour
Elan

and that's just the tip of the iceberg

Of course you could look close to home and get a Hunter
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you looking 5 years or newer your looking 200k and up from there some way up. If you looking to drop that maybe you should go to a boat show or 3 and visit some companies.

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Rustler in UK are now much less expensive due to exchange rate. The Rustler 44 very similar to Morris 45. Southerly out of business.

I just did the search and end up with a Hylas 54.
Southerly UK out of business? Where do you read that?

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