Thanks everyone for your thoughts!
Gord: I'll take that as, "I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot long stick."
I'll try to add the rest of the equation Euro Cruiser.
The dream: A lifestyle which can be supported by working a few months out of the year. Three to six, with a low enough expenses that savings are quick, without a high wage.
Where: I'd like to go back to the Caribbean
and spend a few months island hopping. I was in St Thomas a few years ago, looking down over Magens Bay, a lone sailboat was anchored a few hundred yards beyond the breakers. That was when I started reading everything I could get my hands on about sailing and boat repair
. I came across an journal somewhere around the start of all this that described a few guys that chartered a boat, and anchored beside a little 20 foot something that “looked like a football.” The writer went on to explain how the other two were joking about how ugly the thing was… but stopped when he said something to the effect of, “For what we’ve spent for one week… we could have bought that boat and would be here next week.” This was like a bucket of water
to the face, as it had been much more of a dream to put off until retirement
, with the sudden realization that it was not only possible, but entirely realistic. This is was the start of my campaign to save the pennies.
Mechanically: I've rebuilt many cars... but haven’t done much in the way of body work. I enjoy taking things that are broken and putting them back together so they work. I've done a bit of work on an old WWII coast guard cutter
, keeping it up and running under its own power
. Just enough of the carpentry and structural work to steer me towards a fiberglass
boat... not only is nothing square, but wood
is rather difficult to build back up. In addition to all that I've worked a fair amount of time in machine shops pulling metal shavings out of thumbs. Good enough to keep my digits attached, not so good as to not get dirty!
Time on the water:
Sailing: Not as much as I'd like. I’ve done enough to know I enjoy it, and to keep the boat going on a heading. Not enough to have the feel for adjusting sails without a more experienced sailor around to grab that last half a knot
: I crewed on the coast guard cutter
for the delivery
up to NC coast. Out of that distance I was at the helm
about a quarter of the distance. I also figured out that a gallon a mile is not as efficient as I'd like... not so much the cost, but having held the nozzle for 2 hours at a time contorting yourself between the bulwarks and deckhouse watching sailboats go by… it changes you.
Why I’m even looking at this one:
Part of what guided me to this project boat was the fact that once it is "Finished" (In quotes because it is a boat after all...) a before and after picture is a great portfolio for your work. I assume that this would be a positive for finding work around the world, as skilled labor.
is a very large part of what guided me to this boat. If I undertake a project such as this I will not be in a position to work full time, as well as give the required effort for college studies while rebuilding a boat. This sort of thing will most certainly be done as "Funds are available." I put the 15k price tag as a max because that is as much as I am comfortable losing at this point in time, a setback yes… but it would not be “Every penny I’ve ever made” so I couldn’t sleep at night! I’m comfortable running over 15k, but the time frame stretches out further. I’ve got 2 years or so before I’m through with my studies,
Besides the cost constraints safety
is the primary objective. My search so far has been guided by the fact that quite frankly; I do not see myself as having the skills as a seaman to command a vessel that will not tend to its self through weather
In that light my research
suggests is that a long skinny boat is more seaworthy
when the conditions are awful. The folkboat
and contessa 26 are the examples often given of this design theory.
I just don’t think that they are large enough inside to live, with two people. It would be a shame to find a partner and not have accommodations to suit two. Is it possible... most certainly, I haven’t ruled them out completely as there are several on the market in 5-10k condition.
What I foresee having to do, comments greatly appreciated!
Here’s THE LIST:
Completely gut the interior; probably remove the deck
Tab in new bulkheads, all of them structural. Water tight door/crash bulkhead from mast
Install watertight compartments, with rubber sealed hatches.
Move the chain locker as far aft as possible, while still maintaining proper chain stacking.
Foam blocks in the forepeak, as well as the lazaret.
Replace through hull fittings with high quality bronze
The deck will be half inch marine
with a skin of mechanically fastened fiberglass
a half inch thick. Cabin
top will be of similar size as to what was original to maintain lines. Port lights small for strength, dorade boxes big for flow. Overbuilt is probably an understatement for a deck constructed in this manner…
Hull-deck joint glassed inside and out. Mechanical fastening primarily to double as stanchion complete with backing plates
Chain plates, either three eights or half inch stainless with shoulder bolts run through backing plates
. As many bolts as I see fit… while being prepared to have
, oversize and standardized so all standing is the same size. Running rigging, same deal, same sizes, oversize for the job. External halyards for simplicity, do you guys think this is a good idea or not?
Mast step/tabernacle – mounted on large beam to dial in the weather helm
forward/back a few inches. Aluminum
pipe below deck to support deck, mounted on a glassed in pad to bring mount above bilge
level. Bow and stern pulpits double as cradle
. As you probably guessed… a sloop
rig. Less sails/rigging! My limited understanding of these things says that when you move sail area around you have to move the center of effort too, so the mast will be jury rigged until the exact position is determined. Then another refit
to put everything where it needs to be, going for perfection… <G>
The mast its self I have been contemplating. Used or perhaps heavy wall aluminum
pipe? I haven’t completely ruled out a wood mast home built, but knowing my wood working skills I’d cut once and wish it would grow back…
Would I be out of my mind to put an outboard
bracket on the back? I assume if I am ever inclined to put a wind vane
on the back that there will be conflict between the two. Of course it would be out of the water in rough weather and not much use…
The other idea I’ve got is to use an air-cooled diesel
with a stainless steel
. The most K.I.S.S. design I can figure.
bank mounted well above bilge
, I haven’t determined whether or not gel coil or saturated glass is a longer life solution. I sure prefer sealed gel to acid with thoughts of rolling over.
Everything fused, all wires oversized to take account for possible corrosion
. Wires run half way between deck and bilge, in event of “inversion.”
, both fixed and flexible type. Wind Generator
? Ideally an outboard
will not need to run, as the alternators are… small.
, foot pump
water in the sink. Huge manual bilge pumps. An LED mast head
light, and fluorescent/LED lights inside. In general run the lowest possible power drawing equipment
so it takes less to keep the system operating.
for sure… EPIRB
when she drops in the water.
Water, built in… or perhaps where the inboard used to be? Guidance as far as how many gallons would be appreciated. My reading suggests 1 gallon per person per day, with a decent smudge factor that could get close to 200 gallons for 2 people. Definitely separate tanks
, for contamination prevention, and Murphy’s Law of fuel
will be limited range. I foresee 10-12 hp, not capable of motoring up to hull speed
. Primary goal being in port docking
, but I do wonder about a lee shore.
Plenty of “extra space” (On a boat?) for stocking up on food
stuffs when the price is right.
I’d like to have a decent work space, being a tinkering type… a decent flat spot for a vice and a tool box. I’m thinking that a V-birth at the front is optional, perhaps putting the head
up there like on a Cape Dory
25D. Although, I can think of few things worse than getting a metal shaving stuck in the big toe in the middle of the night relieving yourself.
I don’t think there would be standing head room for the head in that setup. <g>
This turned out longer than I thought it would, if this is the “plan” then task of actually grinding and glassing this pup is going to be a long road indeed.