C&C 36 Frigate Vs. C&C35 MK1 vs Allied Seabreeze 35 Blue water Baby!

[theller]

Ok, so I know the allied is the only boat with the real reputation for blue water.

On the other hand, The only serious remark I have heard against the C&C boats is displacement. 2k to 3k pounds heavier on the Allied. Past that its storage and tankage.

The frigate has a swing keel. the mk1 does not. allied does. All three come with reasonably equivalent equipment, plus and minuses on each, but in reality about equal overall. They all have fairly recent engines. The mk1 has standing rigging 10 years old. The others will need replacement.

12k for the frigate, 15.5k for the mk1 and 17.9k for the allied. Probably bring them all down 20% negotiating. FYI, I am expecting to do a bit of core work, rebed all the deck hardware, refinish bright work, rebed ports and through hull fittings. Not expecting a gem and am planning for a full survey and will walk away from a disaster.

My gut tells me go with the allied for the long term. Reputation says its ready to go anywhere. Perhaps the other two boats may have aspects I am not considering?

[roverhi]

Love the Seabreeze. Looked for one on the West Coast but couldn't find one. The later Seabreeze's had an aluminum centerboard, IIRC. Would prefer the earlier models bronze C/B. No experience but the bronze board just seems like it would be less prone to corrosion and easier to get a compatible anti-fouling paint and get it to stick.

The C&C's were all balsa cored hulls, at least on their cruiser racers. They apparently did a good job of laying them up as haven't heard a lot of complaints about water infiltration and rot. It's something that should be carefully checked. The core will make the hull quieter and give some insulation but the rot issue is something that's always made me nervous.

[theller]

Didn't realize they were balsa cored hulls. Is this standard for all of their boats? Can they be tap tested like a normal deck?

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[theller]

Roverhi, have you had some experience sailing a seabreeze? Would really like to hear an opinion on her sailing behavior.

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[roverhi]

No experience sailing the Seabreeze, just a lot of people that liked them. Also think it's the prettiest boat in its size.

C&C used balsa core on all their racer/cruiser boats at least from the very early '70s. Don't know about their cruising designs or earliest boats from the '60s.

[rhhmadry]

Yes, all C&C sailboats have a balsa wood core.
However, C&C seems to have been very good at this construction.
I have not read or heard of anyone having problems.
If I had one, I would want the hull barrier coated.
Their racer/cruisers have a reputation as being particularly strong and fast for their water line, especially in light air. The balsa core saves a lot of weight. The landfalls are not so fast.

[replusted]

Some of the statements made seem to suggest that all C&C's have cored hulls. This is absolutely not true. It's easy to tell if the hull is cored. Just look inside and see if you notice areas of the hull where the thickness looks like it's tapered. It will be a very noticable difference from the cored to un-cored areas. On the other hand the decks are all cored as are the decks on boats from many other manufacturer's. It's a strong and light way of constructing boat.

[theller]

Well, now we need to lock this down. The hull is either cored or not. Going to need some sources here. I expect any boat to have a cored deck... God forbid someone used marine plywood.

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[Jcolman]

The C&C 35 has a solid hull with a balsa cored deck. Many of C&C's boats were built this way.

My 73' C&C 30 is still going strong after all these years. I only have two small soft spots on the deck and no hull issues.

[pcmaato]

I have a 1969 Frigate, built by Belleville Marine. Designed to the CCA rule.(Corvette and Crusader 40 as well)
Sails very well, very nice motion, powerful sail plan.
Solid glass hull- not cored, solid glass cabin, cored decks and cockpit. After deck req's re-coring (not an uncommon problem).
I've not sailed her offshore (Lake Ontario only), but from what I'm told by "salties", she would do very well in bluewater.
Storage is a bit of an issue, but I am soon to fill in the pilot berth with storage bins, drawers etc., as required.
Cockpit lockers ate the size of small condos.
See videos of "la Galouine": on you tube account "pcmaato" or "pc maato".
Enjoy.