C&C 33

[Carat]

Found a 1977 C&C 33 for sale very close to me. Owner says it needs a lot of TLC. I'm not afraid of a small project, more concerned about durability and how it handles when it's time to cruise.
Anyone have info or experience with C&C's?

[Connemara]

There are several (of various sizes) in our club. This might help C&C 33

Connemara

[Tetepare]

TLC is a widely abused term that means nothing, except that the boat's not in great shape. TLC may infer it's little stuff, but if it truly is little stuff it's not usually described as TLC.

You can't rely on your own visual inspection. You might see that teak needs to be refinished (TLC) or running rigging be replaced (TLC), or needs new filters and hoses (TLC).

But usually along with TLC comes replacing standing rigging ($15k), motor overhaul ($5k-$15k), tearing out decks and re-coring ($8k) or living with a water-saturated hull.

So you'll have to determine what "TLC" means.

[GordMay]

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[skipmac]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

TLC is a widely abused term that means nothing, except that the boat's not in great shape. TLC may infer it's little stuff, but if it truly is little stuff it's not usually described as TLC.

You can't rely on your own visual inspection. You might see that teak needs to be refinished (TLC) or running rigging be replaced (TLC), or needs new filters and hoses (TLC).

But usually along with TLC comes replacing standing rigging ($15k), motor overhaul ($5k-$15k), tearing out decks and re-coring ($8k) or living with a water-saturated hull.

So you'll have to determine what "TLC" means.

Yes. All this.

The C&C is generally a good quality boat and worth a little TLC but like Tetepare says, depends on how much TLC. I would focus on the big ticket items which I would consider in order of cost or major work investment on the part of the owner:

- major structural like seriously wet core, hull deck, bulkheads.
- engine
- standing rigging
- sails

My opinion, a used boat in general (or even new for that matter), no matter how good a condition, most of the major parts are going to have just so many hours or years of useful life anyway, depending on how, how much and where you sail. For example, unless you find a used boat that just had all the standing rigging replaced it will need doing at some point but will that be in one year or five or ?? Same with sails and to some degree engine.

Bottom line you need to do the basic math of cost + repairs and your time and get the final cost. Don't forget that any boat project you take on will end up costing twice and much and take twice as long as you estimate. May sound like a joke but I've proved the truth of that saying to myself more than once.

[Carat]

Thank you for the replies. I think I'm walking away from this one. When asked for more than one blurry picture and what exactly TLC means as far as condition and repairs, I have yet to receive a response. No sea trial, either. So, still looking. But I appreciate the help from you all.

[Mainebristol]

This is a buyer's market. By that, I mean that people are literally giving boats away. I would not buy a boat that needed more than perfunctory repairs, simply because there are so many fine boats in excellent condition that cannot find a home at any price.

I've seen any number of twenty something foot long classic plastics in great shape for 3,000 or less. Good for coastal cruising.

I know of three classic boats on the hard within five miles of me that have been ashore for at least six years. These are all 35-40 footers.(southern coastal maine) If I showed up with somewhere between ten and twenty grand cash, I'm sure I could steal any of them. And it would be theft. Two of them are in purpose-built boat sheds, and are in fine shape. The third is under a tarp, and I might offer five for that one.

Compared to anything new, or even what these things cost back in the day, this is just peanuts.

Anybody who wants a sailboat today can have one, either for a small pile of cash, or for a smaller pile(maybe nothing) plus a little sweat.

My beloved Bristol 32 is worth almost nothing to anybody but me, mostly because the hippies who bought them new are all old now, and the kids would prefer to look at their screens.

[Barney Post]

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[Carat]

Originally Posted by Mainebristol

This is a buyer's market. By that, I mean that people are literally giving boats away. I would not buy a boat that needed more than perfunctory repairs, simply because there are so many fine boats in excellent condition that cannot find a home at any price.

I've seen any number of twenty something foot long classic plastics in great shape for 3,000 or less. Good for coastal cruising.

I know of three classic boats on the hard within five miles of me that have been ashore for at least six years. These are all 35-40 footers.(southern coastal maine) If I showed up with somewhere between ten and twenty grand cash, I'm sure I could steal any of them. And it would be theft. Two of them are in purpose-built boat sheds, and are in fine shape. The third is under a tarp, and I might offer five for that one.

Compared to anything new, or even what these things cost back in the day, this is just peanuts.

Anybody who wants a sailboat today can have one, either for a small pile of cash, or for a smaller pile(maybe nothing) plus a little sweat.

My beloved Bristol 32 is worth almost nothing to anybody but me, mostly because the hippies who bought them new are all old now, and the kids would prefer to look at their screens.

Interesting because where I live, boats are still going for a small fortune, even with winter coming on. Of course, the middle of America non coastal area, I am not surprised of the price idiocracy. People want bank for a turd. Makes my shopping very difficult and frustrating.