Boats Less Than $30K Recent Noteworthy Finds

[Steadman Uhlich]

Originally Posted by Jdege

This one looks interesting...

LIVE THE MULTI-HULL DREAM



Looks like it needs some work, but could really be worth it.

That boat is no longer available.

TO ALL: please remember to post an Asking Price, and Location and some comments on what you see in the boat. If the boat is on EBAY, mention that too. Thanks..

[ghendoaus]

not sure if this one has been posted..
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/54735

only $4950!

[Steadman Uhlich]

Originally Posted by ghendoaus

not sure if this one has been posted..
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/54735

only $4950!

To ALL CF members posting in this thread: please post some basic information about the boats you post here, such as:

Asking Price, condition, Location, Model, Year, and your comments about what you see in the boat. Thanks for your cooperation.
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As for this boat, I copied this info from the sale listing. Note that the inboard engine is SEIZED and that the seller has included a new 9hp outboard.
Location? This boat is in Palmetto Florida.

What is noteworthy about this boat?
It has an asking Price of $4,950
It has a new 9hp outboard.

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FROM THE SALE LISTING:

1979 Chrysler 30

LOA = 30'

"Just lowered price to sell.
Will entertain serious offers.

This boat is made for ocean travel and does well in coastal waters. she has a wider and a bit higher sit in the water than most other boats of her size class.
The engine is seized (inboard) and I added a NEW Suzuiki 9.9 hp outboard now with about 10hrs total running time.
The engine is just past the breakin period and needs an oil change.The outboard is included with the sale of the boat.
NEW RIGGING! Work done in July 2016.
The hull is good and sound Bottom paint is good and should last you another year or two but does show some where at the water line.
The boat is currently in a slip and you may add time to the slip rental.the info for the Chrysler 30 is on sailboatdata aka TMI-30 Ticon 30 the Chrysler 30 they are all the same boat/mold.

9.9 NEW Suzuki outboard (I have the title for the boat and the outboard engine.)
Wheel Steering (good reaction)
Needs cabin Cushions I have basic ones in there now with a bedsheet covering them.
Clean Bottom, I have the bottom cleaned once a month."

[Steadman Uhlich]

Tayana 37 1978

Asking Price = $19,900
Location = Southern California
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Steady's Notes:

I like traditional boats, so the styling of the Tayana 37 is one I find pleasing. Back in the 1970s and early 1980s, this style of boat captured the imagination of sailors who dreamed of sailing to the South Seas or on long voyages.

NOTE! This particular boat is listed at a very low asking price. Most of the several Tayana 37s currently listed on Yachtworld are listed at $60K or more.
As with any boat I post here: Caveat Emptor!

Unlike most of the posts I make in this thread, this post contains only photos from the listed boat, or one boat. I did not include any other photos from other boats in THIS post.

Why this boat?

1. Reputation as a "Blue Water Boat" with traditional styling
2. Pedigree (Robert Perry design) and popularity
3. Very nicely modified cabin layout provides a larger Vberth stateroom and doubled the storage. This is a very nice looking modification to the interior.
4. Low Asking Price Caveat Emptor!

Notes:
1. Teak Decks
2. Wood mast
3. original engine
4. sale listing says it has been insulated and has a cabin heater
5. Hard windscreen (part of dodger)
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From the sale listing:

"Her original layout with two staterooms forward has been converted into a very spacious single stateroom with doubled storage areas. Priced to sell!"

Dimensions
Beam: 11 ft 6 in
LWL: 31 ft 10 in
Minimum Draft: 5 ft 8 in
Displacement: 24000 lbs
Ballast: 7340 lbs

Engines
Total Power: 35 HP

Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Volvo
Year Built: 1978
Engine Model: MD17C
Engine Type: Inboard
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Drive Type: Direct Drive
Engine Power: 35 HP


Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: Fiberglass (140 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: (76 Gallons)
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Reviews

Because of the popularity of the Tayana 37, there are numerous reviews and mentions on the internet. Here are a few excerpts:

Practical Sailor review (the best and most detailed with much more in the full review)

"With several hundred boats sailing the seas of the world, the Tayana 37 has been one of the most successful products of the U.S.’s Taiwan-built boat invasion that began in the early 1970s. Its shapely Baltic stern, scribed plank seams molded into the glass hull, and lavish use of teak above and belowdecks have come to epitomize the image associated with Oriental boats.

Perry conceived the Tayana 37 as a cruising boat of traditional appearance above the water, with moderately heavy displacement, a long waterline, and a reasonably efficient cutter rig of modern proportions. (A ketch rig was also available). Below the water, the forefoot of the long keel has been cut away, and a Constellation-type rudder was utilized rather than a more traditional barn door. Perry sought to cash in on the popularity of the double-ended hull while keeping displacement moderate and performance reasonable, avoiding the plight of boats such as the Westsail 32—the inability to go to windward and sluggish performance in anything short of a moderate gale. The stern design of the Tayana 37 borrows heavily from the well-known Aage Nielsen-designed ketch, the Holger Danske, winner of the 1980 Bermuda Race. It is one of the more handsome Baltic-type sterns on any production sailboat.

The cutter rig is tall and well proportioned. Perry has drawn an unusually high-aspect rig for a cruising boat, and the result is a boat with good performance on all points of sail. With the aluminum rig, the optional Nicro Fico ball-bearing mainsheet traveler and a well-cut suit of sails, the Tayana 37 will be surprisingly fast. Her working sail area of 864 square feet is generous.

Despite a ballast/displacement ratio of 33 percent, the Tayana 37 is not a stiff boat. This is due in part to the tall, heavy rig and the substantial amount of other weight above the boat’s vertical center of gravity. Much of the boat’s heavy joinerwork and glasswork is well above the waterline, raising the center of gravity and reducing initial stability. Perry believes the initial tenderness to be an asset, reducing the snappiness of the boat’s roll and making her a more comfortable sea boat. We agree.

Many owners report that the boat carries substantial weather helm. The sailplan is drawn with significant rake to the mast. This creates just enough shift in the center of effort of the sailplan to create a lot of weather helm. Bringing the mast back toward the vertical by tightening the headstay and forestay while loosening the backstay should cure much of the problem, according to reports from other owners. It may be necessary to shorten the headstay to do this.

The weather helm and initial tenderness may also be due in part to the poor cut of the standard sails provided with the boat. Many of the boats in existence came with standard sails made by Lam of Hong Kong. These sails have the reputation of being stretchy and having very poor shape. Mainsail draft with this fabric is almost uncontrollable, with the sail becoming baggy and the draft moving aft as the wind increases. This will create weather helm and increase the angle of heel."

There is much more good content in the Practical Sailor review.

SOURCE: Bob Perry’s Salty Tayana 37-Footer Boat Review - Practical Sailor Print Edition Article
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Bluewaterboats.org Review

"The Tayana 37 is perhaps the most successful semi-custom cruising yacht to be built. It was designed by Bob Perry and introduced in 1975 as a response to the Westsail 32 which were selling in enormous numbers. Today looking back, with the boat still in production with a boat count of 588, most still sailing, and an active and owners community, it’s very apparent that Perry has succeeded."

More at the link:
The Tayana 37 Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org

[Steadman Uhlich]

Swedish Pilothouse Motor Sailor 55' LOA

Asking Price = $24,995
Location = Fort Lauderdale Florida USA
LOA = 55'
Year = Older Wood Boat with Fiberglass Skin (2000)
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Steady's Notes:

What makes this an Outstanding Boat?
I like traditional styled sail boats and I like Pilothouse boats and wood boats. So this boat caught my eye, and I think it would be an eye-catcher in almost any harbor. It is unusual in that it has a old wood hull that has been skinned with thick fiberglass skin. In addition to that, what makes it outstanding is that the boat has had a lot of money spent on it to upgrade systems, including a nice new (2010, 380 hours) strong Yanmar 240hp Diesel engine, 14 brand new batteries, a bow thruster, 5kw genset, and the asking price is so low.

WOW! Look at the list of equipment.

If I were in a position to move to Maine or Seattle or San Francisco or cold water locations, this kind of boat would be something I would enjoy for cruising and motor sailing among islands, while sitting in the nice pilothouse enjoying a warm cup of tea, whatever the weather. It is the kind of boat I would choose for voyaging up the inside passage to Alaska or to Nova Scotia or Greenland.

It may not be designed for the hot tropics, it may not be the fastest sailing boat (says it cruises at 8 knots, probably under power), nor the most modern. But, it does have unique charm, seems very well equipped (sale listing says $200K was spent on her), and the new large Diesel engine New Yanmar diesel 240 hp (380 hours), the diesel heater, two double berths, water maker, 8 new batteries, solar, bow thruster, water heater, freezer, air conditioning, electronics, and more would make it an interesting live aboard cruiser for the right person who likes traditional boats and wood boats.

IF any CF member does buy her, please let me know. I would love to go for a sail on her.

I am posting this here because I hope she finds a good home.
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From the Sale Listing:
2000 Swedish Pilothouse Motor Sailor Cutter Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Dimensions
LOA: 55 ft 0 in
Beam: 16 ft 0 in
Length on Deck: 43 ft 0 in
Maximum Draft: 7 ft 0 in
Displacement: 74000 lbs

Engines
Total Power: New Yanmar diesel 240 hp (380 hours)

Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Yanmar
Year Built: 2010
Engine Type: Inboard
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Engine Power: 240 HP

Cruising Speed: 8 knots

Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: (250 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: (400 Gallons)

Inside Equipment
Deep freezer
Bow thruster
Refrigerator
Air conditioning
Fresh water maker

Sails & Rigging
Wood mast Cutter rig
Sail area 1650 Sq Ft.
Dacron Sails: 2 Main Sails 1 Staysail (11oz.)
Profurl Roller Furling Genoa Sail (high cut)
Anderson Winches 4 #55 Self tailing misc. smaller halyard and sheet winches

Engine
New Yanmar diesel 240 hp (380 hours)
5kw Northern Lights generator (2003 with 110 hours)
Hot water heater: new 11 gallon stainless steel 110 volt and engine heat exchanger
Batteries: ALL NEW IN MARCH 2017: Deep cycle golf cart- type batteries including: (8) - 6 volt (house) - (4) -6 volt (house) - (2) - 12 volt (engine start)

Refrigerator / deep freeze - AC/DC holding plate system with Frigiboat Keel Coolers
8 1/2' Hard bottom inflatable dinghy with new Nissan 10hp 4 stroke outboard

Hydraulic power take off system powering from main engine 15 hp dual prop bow thruster, anchor windlass and 14,000 GPH emergency bilge pump.
Welding machine - 100% Duty
Solar panel charging system and Wind Generator provides additional charging to battery system
Water maker: standard 500 gallon a day just overhauled with new membrane and filters
Air conditioning: King Air 12,000 BTU marine water-cooled system.

Broker's Notes:
""TEIWAZ" started life as a Baltic Fishing Ketch. The current owner converted it into a cruising yacht during a 25-year re-construction project. The hull is now covered with 4 layers of fiberglass cloth and epoxy to a thickness of 1/2". All systems were renewed or replaced including wiring, plumbing, rigging, tankage and electronics.

Though classic in its design, "TEIWAZ" has been modernized with a new Yanmar Diesel, 5kw Northern Lights Generator, Solar Panels, Wind Generator, Water Maker, Air Conditioning, Holding Plate Refrigeration, Recent Electronics and Hydraulic Bow Thruster in custom bow nacelle

THE OWNER OF TEIWAZ IS NOW NEARLY 80 YEARS OLD AND IS DONE WITH THE BOAT.

THE BOAT NEEDS SUBSTANTIAL COSMETICS BUT APPEARS TO BE SOLID AND SOUND

PRICE HAS BEEN REDUCED TO ONLY $24,995 FOR AN IMMEDIATE SALE"

[Jdege]

This one is back:

1968 Ted Irwin Designed Tri Built By Corinthian Yachts Gulf States R and D Inc. 41 Foot Multi-hull


This is an eBay no-reserve auction. Current bid is $2000.

It's a definitely a project boat:

About this boat, the GOOD, The BAD and the UGLY.

The Good:

Really the best thing about this boat is it's huge interior and large spacious deck. It is currently set up with three double cabins. Several thousand dollars was spent on renovating the V-berth cabin just a few years ago, adding a new $800 high quality sealing glass hatch which looks out in between the inner and outer hulls, new port windows and very nice teak and stained birch interior woodwork. The rest of the boat is mostly plywood covered with linoleum and it is original. You can see in the detail photo a few areas where the linoleum is peeling up and needs to be glued back down with contact cement. The boat has hydraulic steering and an autopilot system. It has a dingy davits so you can hang your dingy off the back with block and tackles and raise and lower it rather than having to tow it behind. The outer pontoons have tons of stowage space so that you can put sails and spare diesel fuel and propane tanks and anchors and all that sort of stuff in the outer hulls and leave the main interior clear of clutter. This also means that the interior cubbies and closets can be used for basic household things like clothing and food rather than having to store sailing equipment and spare lines and sails.

Because the boat has a protected prop and rudder and no keel, you can sail it right up to a beach at mid tide and just park it on the sand with a safety line tied to a palm tree. Then play and have a couple drinks on the beach until the tide goes out and comes back in, and then just untie and float back off the beach using a tossed kedging anchor to pull yourself back into the deeper water.

This also means that you can scrape and re-paint your own bottom and service the prop and rudder etc. just by beaching the boat rather than having to pay for an expensive haul out. In many parts of the world it is also very difficult to find a facility that can haul out a large multi-hull, so this becomes especially important.

The deck is also large enough for big potluck parties on deck with your fellow sailors as well as room to mount kayak racks, and bicycles etc..

Other than one of the back cabin port windows the boat really seems to stay very dry when it is raining and I haven't seen any signs of leaking ceiling or windows. There is also a very nice, recently installed canvas dodger over the cockpit that comes with vinyl surround windows that can zip on and off for using the boat in cold or rainy weather and create a completely enclosed cockpit.

The boat comes with seven good used sails. It has two very nice, recently installed Stainless 65 gallon water holding tanks (total 130 gallons) plus diesel tanks for 120 gallons for long passages under diesel power when necessary.

The Bad:

The previous owner had this boat for sale a couple years ago with a boat broker for $54,000. However, after cruising on it for many years and making a number of upgrades over the years, he moved inland where he lived a couple hours drive from the boat. When it was at the dock and he wasn't able to check on it regularly, the weather got cold and the batteries stopped charging. That caused the bilge pumps to fail, and the boat has a little trickle leak coming in at the stuffing box on the rudder post that leaks two or three gallons of water per day. Over time, and without anyone noticing it, the back of the boat filled up with water. Once the water got above a through hull meant for ejecting water, and instead of ejecting water the boat took on water. The back of the boat filled up and water covered the engine until the marina staff noticed the back of the boat was tilted down and the bow was up higher out of the water than it should have been. They quickly pumped the water out but while it had water in the back of the boat the plywood of the cubboards swelled and got some silty mud residue in the drawers. The water damaged the starter and the alternator and a few other things like the electric pump motor on one of the toilets. I have not tested any of the electical breakers or anything like that, so there may be things there that need to be addressed. I had a professional mechanic inspect the motor after I bought the boat, and they got it to turn over and there is no obvious sign of water getting into the oil or into the anti-freeze, so I think the motor can likely be restored just by pulling the injectors and flushing with marvel mystery oil and changing the air, oil and fuel filters and putting on new alternator and starter. However, until this work is done and the engine is actually running with a supply of fresh fuel and pumping cooling water reliably you can't know for sure about anything. The boat also needs new batteries. The house power is provided by a bank of six volt daisy chained batteries that are about $75 each from Sams Club to replace and the starting power are two 12 volt marine batteries. In a worst worst case scenario the motor might possibly need a re-build. However, it is a 50HP Perkins 4108 diesel which is an extremely tough and reliable motor developed specifically for marine applications. It has the removable piston sleeves to enable a complete re-build without removing from the boat and the rebuild kits are available for it on ebay for about $800.

The Ugly:

Fortunately, the water that got in the boat didn't mess up things too bad overall, and the V-berth didn't even get wet at all. The worst part is just the plywood cupboards needing to be cleaned and re-painted and some of them perhaps having the plywood back drawer box rebuilt or sanded so they will slide in and out smoothly. The deck also has a few soft spots. The decks were built as a sandwich with two layers of fiberglass with a balsa oreo filling, and although the fiberglass layer is very strong the balsa filling can rot out if you drill a hole in the deck and don't epoxy seal it properly. The former owner used a three quarter inch drill bit to redrill most of the bolt holes, fill them with epoxy and then re-drill so that water couldn't leak inside the deck. He also used a jig saw set to a quarter inch depth to cut out most of the areas that had developed soft spots over the years and took out the old balsa and replaced it with closed cel rigid foam, and then poured fiberglass resin around the foam panels. He put the cut out top patch back down, sealed the edges of the seam with a layer of fiberglass cloth and then sanded it smooth. Due to this work he did, 80% of the boat has very solid decks which will never have any soft spot problems again, but there are still about three or four days of work that needs to be done patching and restoring the few remaining soft spots. There is only one really bad spot, which is right along the very back edge of the deck by the dingy hoist. The other few spots don't really need to be done in any sort of hurry. You could leave them the way they are for many more years if you aren't so picky about a deck with a bit of flex under foot, but to sailors who really want a solid deck it is just a bit annoying walking because you can feel the deck flex beneath your step in a few small areas and you don't get that nice strudy deck feel that we associate with newer modern boats.

[Sea Dreaming]

The Swedish pilot house - wow!

[Celestialsailor]

It continues to amaze me how people who are still "looking for her" can write reams and reams about great deals and never purchase a vessel.
Anyways, the market will remain flat as long as the current glut of f/g boats persist.

[dan_s28]

I love that boat....

Soon I will be looking seriously, hope I can find a salty one abouyt 35 - 42 ft.

Originally Posted by Three Sisters

A Union 36, looks to be a close relative to the Hans Christian. Spotted her at sailboatlistings on the way over here. So much charm, wouldn't you say ? And a cutter rig, clean engine.






Attachment 142398


The listing is here with more photographs.

http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/63907

[hamburking]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

It continues to amaze me how people who are still "looking for her" can write reams and reams about great deals and never purchase a vessel.
Anyways, the market will remain flat as long as the current glut of f/g boats persist.

I am one of those "looking for her". In my searches I sometimes come across notable boats that are great deals...but aren't right for me. Either location, or size, or price, or a million other things. Buying a boat is not like buying a loaf of bread at the supermarket. I only get one boat. And when I choose that one boat, I'm making a big commitment of time and money. In return, that boat will sustain me. Its not that different from looking for a wife...except a boat won't turn around one day and say its leaving...but I digress...

You don't choose the boat, the boat chooses you.

In two years my kids will both be at university (hopefully) and I can finally head south to the caribbean, or wherever the wind takes me. Until then, I'm going to keep looking at boats, so that when I'm ready, or the right boat comes along, I'll know it. And if I happen to see some other great deals along my path, I'm going to share them with the good folks here at CF...because just about every other post starts out with...."I'm a newb looking for a great deal on a decent boat..."

[Scout 30]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

It continues to amaze me how people who are still "looking for her" can write reams and reams about great deals and never purchase a vessel.
Anyways, the market will remain flat as long as the current glut of f/g boats persist.

A life full of amazement is a good life.

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by hamburking

I am one of those "looking for her". In my searches I sometimes come across notable boats that are great deals...but aren't right for me. Either location, or size, or price, or a million other things. Buying a boat is not like buying a loaf of bread at the supermarket. I only get one boat. And when I choose that one boat, I'm making a big commitment of time and money. In return, that boat will sustain me. Its not that different from looking for a wife...except a boat won't turn around one day and say its leaving...but I digress...

You don't choose the boat, the boat chooses you.

In two years my kids will both be at university (hopefully) and I can finally head south to the caribbean, or wherever the wind takes me. Until then, I'm going to keep looking at boats, so that when I'm ready, or the right boat comes along, I'll know it. And if I happen to see some other great deals along my path, I'm going to share them with the good folks here at CF...because just about every other post starts out with...."I'm a newb looking for a great deal on a decent boat..."

Over the years I have had 8 boats. All good deals. All them I sold for more than I bought them for. It's not really that difficult. You can probably narrow it down to a dozen great manufacturers and from that, the years that were exceptional and from that the ones that are an exceptional price. Often times an estate sale or someone who has had enough. So I'm not buying the "looking for one that is just right."
Alright fine, it might take a year or maybe even 2. But when I see the same folks here 4,5,6 and 7 years, it's not the search but rather the interested party.
Currently, I'm looking at one design built by two different manufacturers. One manufacturer (now defunct) sell for $80,000+. It is being sold from an estate sale for $25,000. The other from a different manufacturer sells well over $120,000. The seller has moved into his golden years and needs to spend time with his ailing wife. He is asking $50,000. Both came up within 6 months of one another.
The other thing I hear on this forum is the 5-10 year plan of growing the kids and buying "the" boat and "sailing where the wind takes me". No one should be amazed at the changes in one life in 6 months let alone 5 years.

[rumiko dan]

Celestial,
Are you complaining that people like to look at boats?!?! If so, please find other targets for your disdain. Looking at boats is a fine way to dream, to waste time, to ponder...and who knows when one may suit the fancy...

[TooCoys]

Originally Posted by hamburking

You don't choose the boat, the boat chooses you.

I don't know if the boat chooses you, but something or someone does. Zeus, God, the Universe, or the fairies in the forest. Whatever suits you.

The boats path and my path seemed to cross at the right time, in the right moment. She's the only sailboat that I looked at in person, and the timing, sales price, and condition all just fell into place.

She was a great price for me to enter sailing, she wasn't so far gone that I couldn't use her as she sits, and she has just enough projects for me to learn my way around the maintenance.

Something chose me, and I'm glad it did!

[Seagirt]

Originally Posted by rumiko dan

Celestial,
Are you complaining that people like to look at boats?!?! If so, please find other targets for your disdain. Looking at boats is a fine way to dream, to waste time, to ponder...and who knows when one may suit the fancy...

I can't speak for Celestial, but I understood him to be referring to the people who post that they are actively searching boats for the purpose of purchasing, not simply window shopping and simply enjoying looking at boats. Yet, despite all accounts of them being serious about wanting to purchase a boat and coming across many good deals they still haven't pulled the trigger after years and years. And I didn't get the feeling of disdain from him, just confusion from a guy who has been through the process of buying and selling a boat many times. I lean towards being someone who is serious about buying a boat but I haven't pulled the trigger, and I am not offended by Celstial's remarks.