Boats Less Than $30K Recent Noteworthy Finds

[iSaint]

What's your opinion on Bruce Roberts designs? I saw this 36 for sale for $29,900 in Texas. I see differing opinions, one being that it's slow. My son and I liked first looks and I'm looking for a liveaboard soon. Thanks!

[DewTheDewDude]

Hey there guys,

Not exactly sure how this thread works, but I'd like to give it a shot.

Been looking for an upgrade to my Catalina 30', been checking out the market daily and I keep finding myself back at the cutter ketch rig. This one in particular strikes my interest and is in my price range.

1976 Downeaster 38 Cutter Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I know it's suppose to be <$30000, but I've talked with the guy to lowering it closer to that, because of my ambition to repower it.

Any thoughts? Any experience with the "classic" hull style? Or with the make?

I'm from Southern New England, so the Down East style boats have always interested me, whether it be power or sail. Was looking for some other opinions as well.

Was really just looking for all around feed back for this boat. She has all the electronics, liveability and sailability I believe I'm looking for, well for at least sometime.

Kind of looking for a rig that could hold me over for about 5 yearsish..

She'll be an old lady by then, but I've looked up the history on the boat, and she has been in Lake Champlain for most her life. All fresh water so that gives me hope! Also they say they tended to "overmake" these boats, and especially in that time era. I will still regardless get her surveyed.

I'm kind of on the edge so I'm really phishing for some thoughts on pushing me too or from this vessel. I really do love it..so far, but it does seem a bit plasticy for me.

Do you guys perhaps have other suggestions?

Thanks for all your input in advanced!

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Bleemus]

http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/5861866893.html

[Don C L]

Originally Posted by DewTheDewDude

Hey there guys,

Not exactly sure how this thread works, but I'd like to give it a shot.

Been looking for an upgrade to my Catalina 30', been checking out the market daily and I keep finding myself back at the cutter ketch rig. This one in particular strikes my interest and is in my price range.

1976 Downeaster 38 Cutter Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

I know it's suppose to be <$30000, but I've talked with the guy to lowering it closer to that, because of my ambition to repower it.

Any thoughts? Any experience with the "classic" hull style? Or with the make?

I'm from Southern New England, so the Down East style boats have always interested me, whether it be power or sail. Was looking for some other opinions as well.

Was really just looking for all around feed back for this boat. She has all the electronics, liveability and sailability I believe I'm looking for, well for at least sometime.

Kind of looking for a rig that could hold me over for about 5 yearsish..

She'll be an old lady by then, but I've looked up the history on the boat, and she has been in Lake Champlain for most her life. All fresh water so that gives me hope! Also they say they tended to "overmake" these boats, and especially in that time era. I will still regardless get her surveyed.

I'm kind of on the edge so I'm really phishing for some thoughts on pushing me too or from this vessel. I really do love it..so far, but it does seem a bit plasticy for me.

Do you guys perhaps have other suggestions?

Thanks for all your input in advanced!

Happy Thanksgiving!

I used to charter one, sloop, quite a bit, many moons ago. I liked it a lot, it is a sturdy, reliable design, well built and had better performance than I was expecting. Bluewaterboats has a write-up of the 32 but not the 38, not sure why. Maybe it needs more votes there.
The Downeaster 32 Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org
The engine had good access too. I'd definitely get a look at one. Fresh water is a plus. After you've had to take care of 40 feet of teak, a little more plastic doesn't seem so bad! Make sure it has a good engine! Don't shop till you are ready to buy though. Here is one that I saw recently locally here in L.A.
Ready to cruise the world? 1975 38&#39; Downeaster

[Steadman Uhlich]

Endeavour 37 "B" Plan

1980 sloop
"B Plan" is a traditional layout with quarter berth.

Asking Price = $29,900
Location = St. Augustine FL
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Steady's Notes

The Endeavour 37 is a boat I would like for a comfortable shallow draft cruiser for Florida or coastal cruising. It is relatively roomy and would make a nice liveaboard boat.

Is it a "Blue Water Boat?"
That is debatable. But, I have sailed 2,500 miles from Hawaii to California on an Endeavour 37 (A Plan) and found it to be comfortable sailing with a nice interior and a very large cockpit, with long flat cockpit seats on which you could sleep. Despite sailing in a gale on that voyage, I never felt unsafe in the boat. If asked to take a similar voyage on a similar boat (that is well prepped for long distance voyaging) I would go again.

One feature I like on the Endeavour 37 is the multiple (10!) opening portlights and two large deck hatches, (and this boat has three cowl vents too) which are there to give good ventilation such as in Florida and Caribbean (for which this boat was designed). I think this is an important feature for hot weather cruising locations. Not many cruisers of this size have as many opening portlights.

The galley is better than on some boats. There is a full size nav table. The head is nice size. The Endeavours typically had teak parquet floor or sole panels.

Noteworthy on the Endeavour boats is the extensive use of teak wood in the interior. It is better than on many other boats of this age.
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Condition of This Boat?

I have looked at many Endeavour 37 boats online, and this one appears to be in much better than average condition (from the photos). It looks clean and well kept. The interior and exterior appears to be in very good condition compared to others of this age. As with any online sale listing, we can only see what is shown in the photos, so, Buyer Beware always applies. But, after looking at so many of this particular model and similar age, I think this one looks very good.
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Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:
Specs
Keel: Full

Dimensions
LOA: 37 ft 6 in
Draft = 4.5'
Beam: 11 ft 7 in
LWL: 30 ft 0 in
Ballast: 8000 lbs
Bridge Clearance: 46 ft 0 in

Engines
Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Perkins
Year Built: 1980
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel


Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: Aluminum (100 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: (55 Gallons)
Holding Tanks: Plastic (12 Gallons)
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Noteworthy Updates
(from the sale listing)

See the sale listing "Details" tab for more about how this boat has been updated recently. Here are a few items from a longer list:

Bottom Job - 2014
New Toilet - 2015
New Refrigerator - 2016
New Water Pump - 2016
New Batteries - 2016
New Backstay - 2016
New Shrouds - 2016
New Zincs - 2016
New Shore Power Cord - 2016
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[Steadman Uhlich]

Watkins 36 Center Cockpit

Year = 1981
Asking Price = $29,900. (New listing today)
Location = Treasure Island FL
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981...w#.WDgcQrROKhC
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Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:

Specs
Keel: Full

Dimensions
LOA: 36 ft 0 in
Beam: 10 ft 5 in
LWL: 29 ft 4 in
Minimum Draft: 4 ft 5 in
Ballast: 6000 lbs
Bridge Clearance: 46 ft 0 in
Dry Weight: 17000 lbs

Engines
Total Power: 50 HP

Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Perkins
Year Built: 1981
Engine Model: 4-108
Engine Type: Inboard
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Drive Type: Direct Drive
Engine Power: 50 HP

Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: 1 (85 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: 1 (40 Gallons)

[Steadman Uhlich]

Here is the link to the Endeavour 37 I posted up above:
1980 Endeavour 37 B plan sloop Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

[Steadman Uhlich]

CT 41 Ketch

1978
Asking Price = $14,500 (new listing)
Location = San Diego

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1978...w#.WDgdj7ROKhA
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Additional Specs, Equipment and Information:

Dimensions
LOA: 47 ft 0 in
Beam: 12 ft 2 in
Maximum Draft: 6 ft 0 in
Dry Weight: 27000 lbs

Engines
Cruising Speed: 6 knots
Maximum Speed: 8 knots

Tanks
Fresh Water Tanks: (100 Gallons)
Fuel Tanks: (120 Gallons)

[Steadman Uhlich]

Pearson Countess 44 Ketch

1965
Asking Price = $29,900 (new listing on YW)
Location = Miami FL

1965 Pearson Countess Ketch Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

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Additional Specs, Equipment and Information

Specs
Designer: Alden
Keel: Full

Dimensions
LOA: 44 ft 6 in
Beam: 12 ft 0 in
Minimum Draft: 5 ft 3 in
Maximum Draft: 5 ft 5 in
Displacement: 26400 lbs
Ballast: 8000 lbs

Engines
Total Power: 110 HP

Engine 1:
Engine Brand: Hercules
Year Built: 1965
Engine Model: 5 cyl FWC
Engine Type: Inboard
Engine/Fuel Type: Diesel
Engine Power: 110 HP

Cruising Speed: 6 knots
Maximum Speed: 8 knots

[Don C L]

Listed right at 30K: Here is a great ol' classic that went through a major refit (documented on the Columbia Owners Yahoo group) and is likely in excellent shape. I wish they had posted more shots and info on it on Craigslist because it really looks beautiful in the photos of the refit from the Columbia group:
http://www.hjboats.com/columbia38/index.html
Morgan design. Built strong, molded in keel, deep keel version. Research them here:
COLUMBIA 38 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
http://www.columbia-yachts.com/c-38.html
It recently was sailed up to AK. If you are in the PNW especially:
Columbia 38 for sale
Wish I could buy it!!

[hamburking]

I owned this boat for 5 years, and sold it just over a year ago. Apparently its for sale again:

Pearson 30 sailboat for sale | other | Kingston | Kijiji

Its a 1974 Pearson 30 with a 1985 Volvo Penta diesel engine.
Current asking price is $12,300 CDN (about $9000 USD).
I had lots of great adventures on this boat sailing around Lake Ontario with my kids. I singlehanded mostly (even when my kids were aboard, LOL). I can't comment about the current condition, but it was great for me, I didn't have any trouble at all the whole time I owned it. I notice from the ad that the new owner lost my favorite anchor. The boat is currently on the hard at KYC in Kingston Ontario Canada.

Here's a cut and paste from the ad for those of you with slow internet:

Pearson 30 Mk1 1974
Equipment and Information:

Dimensions
LOA: 32’ 3
LWL: 25’
Beam: 9’ 7
Draft: 5’
Headroom: 6’ 2
Rig type: Masthead Sloop
Displacement: 8500 lbs

Engine
Inboard diesel: Volvo Penta 2002 18HP Two blade
Cruising speed: 4.7kts @1800rpm, 5.2kts @2100rpm
Fuel consumption: 0.3 gal/hr @1800rpm, 0.4gal/hr @2100rpm

Diesel Fuel: 23+15 gal (extra 1gal Gas)
Water tanks: 30 gal
SS Holding Tank: 16 gal (NEW)
Blige pumps: 2 manual, 1 electric

Sails
Battened main with 2 reefs (9+/10 condition) lazy jack, sail cover
Furling Genoa 145% (6+/10 condition) , Harken Furler (2011)
Custom made Asymmetrical Spinnaker (10/10) with ATN sleeve & tacker & turtle bag (All NEW, 3000USD), easy setup for singlehanded.
Three halyards, 2011 rigging

Anchoring
SS Rocna anchor (BRAND NEW. Only used once) with 30’ Chain, quarter-mile long rode. (We cut our old anchors loose in Quebec) +small folding anchor

Electronics:
All instruments Raymarine
Depthsounder
Temperature sensor
Chart plotter
Autopilot
Compass
Fixed mount VHF
Floatable Handheld 6w VHF (NEW)

Cabins:
Salon + quarter berth + V berth, foldable salon table for 4
Samsung flat screen TV, Bluetooth speaker
12v LED interior lighting + 12v 2spd fan
Head:
Marine toilet (NEW) and new hoses (U shaped, vented). No shower
Galley:
Alcohol Stove, 2 SS sinks with pressurized cold water and a hand pump(NEW), Ice box, SS BBQ with cover and gas hose (NEW)

Electrical:
2 marine deep cycle batteries with selector switch (2015)
20 Amp smart charger 12V control panel, 120V breaker panel
Navigation lights, steaming lights, powerful spreader lights.
50ft power cord, 80ft extension, various adapters.

Outside Equipment/Cockpit:
2 primary winches 2 secondary winches 2 halyard winches 1 furling winch
3 winch handles, cup holder, Fender bags, Bug screens, Hammock
Double lifelines with net. Boarding ladder
Cockpit Dodger
Cockpit cushions

Safety/Extra Gear
Flares, sea dye marker (probably expired)
ACR Rapid Ditch Bag
V shaped Jackline strung from bow to cockpit. (A must for solo)
Safety harnesses for 4 crew members
Inflatable MOB rescue(NEW), MOB pole(NEW),
2 CO detectors, 1 Smoke alarm, 3 Marine Fire extinguishers
Portable Navigation lights, 2 Oil pumps, spare parts…
Big round fender balls for lock-passing or backing in the slip

SwissTech Mast lift (NEW, USD1600): foolproof design for unassisted solo mast climbing. You can hoist urself to the mast top while motoring or even under sail. Great tool for lifting heavy objects (dinghies, outboards, bodies…)
Numerous books/charts on cruising, and even transatlantic.
2009 4hp Mercury 4 stroke outboard with Grand E270 9’ dinghy (licensed)
Folding cradle /6 posts

Note, 2105 bottom paint: Interlux Micro CSC, minor scratches near starboard waterline.

I am her 5th owner. Two of us took her down to Gulf of St. Lawrence along Quebec North Shore for a whales/icebergs watching trip in June. And, we’re back home safely. She has proven her value as both a weekender and a solid coastal cruiser through the years. Unfortunately, I won't have time to look after her next year, gotta find her a new home for 2017.
The boat is currently located in Kingston, ON

Asking $12300, price negotiable
Will trade for Cameras/Cine lens (Hasselblad, Leica, Zeiss…) of equivalent value.

[gabe1111]

Originally Posted by hamburking

I owned this boat for 5 years, and sold it just over a year ago. Apparently its for sale again:

Pearson 30 sailboat for sale | other | Kingston | Kijiji

Its a 1974 Pearson 30 with a 1985 Volvo Penta diesel engine.
Current asking price is $12,300 CDN (about $9000 USD).
I had lots of great adventures on this boat sailing around Lake Ontario with my kids. I singlehanded mostly (even when my kids were aboard, LOL). I can't comment about the current condition, but it was great for me, I didn't have any trouble at all the whole time I owned it. I notice from the ad that the new owner lost my favorite anchor. The boat is currently on the hard at KYC in Kingston Ontario Canada.

Here's a cut and paste from the ad for those of you with slow internet:

Pearson 30 Mk1 1974
Equipment and Information:

Dimensions
LOA: 32’ 3
LWL: 25’
Beam: 9’ 7
Draft: 5’
Headroom: 6’ 2
Rig type: Masthead Sloop
Displacement: 8500 lbs

Engine
Inboard diesel: Volvo Penta 2002 18HP Two blade
Cruising speed: 4.7kts @1800rpm, 5.2kts @2100rpm
Fuel consumption: 0.3 gal/hr @1800rpm, 0.4gal/hr @2100rpm

Diesel Fuel: 23+15 gal (extra 1gal Gas)
Water tanks: 30 gal
SS Holding Tank: 16 gal (NEW)
Blige pumps: 2 manual, 1 electric

Sails
Battened main with 2 reefs (9+/10 condition) lazy jack, sail cover
Furling Genoa 145% (6+/10 condition) , Harken Furler (2011)
Custom made Asymmetrical Spinnaker (10/10) with ATN sleeve & tacker & turtle bag (All NEW, 3000USD), easy setup for singlehanded.
Three halyards, 2011 rigging

Anchoring
SS Rocna anchor (BRAND NEW. Only used once) with 30’ Chain, quarter-mile long rode. (We cut our old anchors loose in Quebec) +small folding anchor

Electronics:
All instruments Raymarine
Depthsounder
Temperature sensor
Chart plotter
Autopilot
Compass
Fixed mount VHF
Floatable Handheld 6w VHF (NEW)

Cabins:
Salon + quarter berth + V berth, foldable salon table for 4
Samsung flat screen TV, Bluetooth speaker
12v LED interior lighting + 12v 2spd fan
Head:
Marine toilet (NEW) and new hoses (U shaped, vented). No shower
Galley:
Alcohol Stove, 2 SS sinks with pressurized cold water and a hand pump(NEW), Ice box, SS BBQ with cover and gas hose (NEW)

Electrical:
2 marine deep cycle batteries with selector switch (2015)
20 Amp smart charger 12V control panel, 120V breaker panel
Navigation lights, steaming lights, powerful spreader lights.
50ft power cord, 80ft extension, various adapters.

Outside Equipment/Cockpit:
2 primary winches 2 secondary winches 2 halyard winches 1 furling winch
3 winch handles, cup holder, Fender bags, Bug screens, Hammock
Double lifelines with net. Boarding ladder
Cockpit Dodger
Cockpit cushions

Safety/Extra Gear
Flares, sea dye marker (probably expired)
ACR Rapid Ditch Bag
V shaped Jackline strung from bow to cockpit. (A must for solo)
Safety harnesses for 4 crew members
Inflatable MOB rescue(NEW), MOB pole(NEW),
2 CO detectors, 1 Smoke alarm, 3 Marine Fire extinguishers
Portable Navigation lights, 2 Oil pumps, spare parts…
Big round fender balls for lock-passing or backing in the slip

SwissTech Mast lift (NEW, USD1600): foolproof design for unassisted solo mast climbing. You can hoist urself to the mast top while motoring or even under sail. Great tool for lifting heavy objects (dinghies, outboards, bodies…)
Numerous books/charts on cruising, and even transatlantic.
2009 4hp Mercury 4 stroke outboard with Grand E270 9’ dinghy (licensed)
Folding cradle /6 posts

Note, 2105 bottom paint: Interlux Micro CSC, minor scratches near starboard waterline.

I am her 5th owner. Two of us took her down to Gulf of St. Lawrence along Quebec North Shore for a whales/icebergs watching trip in June. And, we’re back home safely. She has proven her value as both a weekender and a solid coastal cruiser through the years. Unfortunately, I won't have time to look after her next year, gotta find her a new home for 2017.
The boat is currently located in Kingston, ON

Asking $12300, price negotiable
Will trade for Cameras/Cine lens (Hasselblad, Leica, Zeiss…) of equivalent value.

Any insights or tips? Although a little smaller below deck than I'd like, she looks to be in great shape and I just messaged the seller.

[Boxertwinjeff]

Originally Posted by iSaint

What's your opinion on Bruce Roberts designs? I saw this 36 for sale for $29,900 in Texas. I see differing opinions, one being that it's slow. My son and I liked first looks and I'm looking for a liveaboard soon. Thanks!

Hi Mate, I owned a 28ft Roberts Spray years ago, a lot were/are home
built, seems mostly in steel. They have a reputation of being a safe seaworthy design, though quite a slow boat with poor upwind ability,
but will get you there safely. Being very beamy, its said they can hold
a lot of sail in stronger winds while others are reefing down. Some rough
home built Steel Sprays I've seen I wouldn't touch, then again I've seen
some beautifully built examples, they have quite volumeous interiors so make great liveaboards. People seem to love them, or hate them.
Hope this helps. Go in Low first off with any offer, as they have a more limited market compared to some boats, This is IMO.

[UNCIVILIZED]

Still a great thread!

[Harry Brown]

Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED

Still a great thread!

AGREED!