Boat is heeling in marina - owner says its ok.

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by David Mathis

Unless this problem has a logical explanation and can be easily and economically repaired, it might be in your best interest to pass on this boat

I think Gray Sailor is the surveyor, just starting out.

Originally Posted by David Mathis

The owner says it's OK but it's possible that the owner isn't aware of the extent of the problem and the cost of proper repair.

I am not sure what the problem is? its a 3800kg yacht with a huge great water and fuel tank, its going to lean but also be lots of fun fast sailing with a fin and blade rudder.

Gray Sailor, is this the deep fin version or shallow? The shallow ones couldn't be coded for commercial charter beyond 20 miles in calm conditions in the UK due to quite a low stability.

[edlepera]

Trimming how a boat sits in the water is a lesson I learn in the 70’s. Dingy sailing you move forward or aft. Hike out or move in close to the centerline. Day sailing with a few people a couple of coolers and other gear. We would load the boat with the gear. Take a look at how she is sitting and how the winds and waves are behaving. Big boat sailing well the guys I know with sailboats over 30 feet Some are downright anal on weight distribution. Others don’t care. Bottom line whatever you’re comfortable with

[SaylorMade]

I've had my current boat since 2014, and it has always annoyed me that it listed a few degrees.

I've been blaming the designer for placing too much interior in one side, and wondered if the boat had a lot of water in the core in port side, or if it was just generally about to sink.

This spring I did what I should have done a long time ago. Cleaned out the deep locker in port side and threw out a bunch of useless stuff.
Now she sits completely straight in the water.

Didn't have to scrap the boat after all.

[gray_sailor]

Originally Posted by Pete7

Gray Sailor, is this the deep fin version or shallow?

Yes, it is shallow one. Keel is ok. I have made several measurements from the aft tip of the keel to stantions. The keel is sitting in place.


I think that the problem is because the boat has one aft cabin on port side, which is empty at the time. Water tank is also empty.
There is no port cockpit locker.


At the same time starboard cockpit locker is full of various stuff.

And the fuel tank is almost full.

[BonesD]

If it’s heeling on the dockside, loosen the mooring lines a bit.😊

[SailMoonShadow]

I have a similar problem on my '88 Sigma 362. It wasn't like it when I bought her but since then I have filled up the cavernous starboard cockpit locker (including two spare anchors and a load of chain). The majority of the internal storage is on the starboard side also so I'm pretty convinced that's what has caused it.
It makes no noticeable difference when sailing. Perhaps she tacks slightly higher on starboard but really, as someone else has said, if you haven't got sea water sloshing around below the cabin sole I wouldn't be overly concerned.
In the picture I think the whole boat is slightly off plumb in the stands which is fairly common really.

[Bill_Giles]

Our Bavaria has a list at times. We have the fuel and batteries on the port side with an added domestic battery. Also on the port side is a deep locker with dinghy and black tank. On the other side is a water tank. It is hardly surprising that there is a list if the water tank is empty. This is not really a problem as I sail with two crew who weigh more then 400lb betrween them. If they sit on the same side of the boat we get a list.

[bendriver]

I bought a boat long time ago with cored hull that water got into. Starboard side had hundreds of pounds of water between laminations. Boat was a total

[jsanton]

I’m enjoying all the jokers!

Trimming a boat in the slip is part of good seamanship. It doesn’t take much effort to move your stowed items around a little.

But you have quite a list. Or was that lisp?

It is interesting to note that looking at your waterline, in times past, she did sit level. Which validates the owners report. This implies that you simply need to retrim the stowage.

[captain38]

Proper trim is always an issue. And the smaller the boat, the more important. Bavaria 32's only displace a little more than 8,000#, have a ballast to displacement ratio of about 28. So light boat with only a little more than one ton of balance = tender boat, making the location of every substantial weight very important. Get the trim right and performance will improve too.

[Ericson38]

Originally Posted by gray_sailor

I did all measurements today. Keel is well aligned. Doublechecked it with both hanging level and ruler measurements from tip of the keel to boat topsides. It is only the ruder which is declined to portside.
So, the question still remains, why is she listing.
I have asked this question to Bavaria and got a responce, that probably starboard cockpit locker is loaded too much...It is very strange anyway....

Are you saying the aft end and hence rudder's vertical post through the hull as designed is not in the same vertical plane as the keel ? And then the explanation is that the aft starboard cockpit locker was loaded to the point where the aft end of the hull, when assymetrically (port-starboard) loaded, twisted the hull as a result of said offcenter loading ?

I don't think that would be possible.

[Icarus]

Obviously bad weight distribution..keels don't bend, but then its a Beneteau so anything is possible.
Anyway, just check what is stored where.

[OneBoatman]

It is not uncommon for lighter displacement boats to have some list from the factory. If it is more than about 3 degrees it is quite noticeable. Most can be at least partially corrected by attention to tankage or mounting a pad for dinghy outboard on the rail. Designers lay out the insides for convenience, aesthetics, and of course to use every bit of available space, often paying less attention to the effect in trim. That much list is not normal. My guess is that the boat came through with some as built list to starboard hence the added ballast but not as much as the waterline evidence indicates. Added ballast should be stood off from the hull with a cushioning material if possible and must be secured. To me it looks like the boat was in too shallow a slip for the boat and it sat on the bottom quite frequently at low tide. It looks like about two years worth of growth.

[Group9]

I just walked our marina this morning. Couple of hundred boats, and almost all were leaning one way or the other.

I just filled our diesel tank the other day, and it gave us a little list, just doing that.

[gonesail]

an empty water tank and full fuel tank can easily cause the boat to heel. it does with mine. battery weight also comes into play here.